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Originally Posted by Biggio509
One thing to note also is this is not unrealistic as you think. Craig Biggio was moved to CF when Jeff Kent didn't want to play 3B. Lance Berkman was also moved from 1B to RF. At one time the Astros had 3 IFs in the OF. A real life manager did this to keep the big hitters in the game despite the huge drop off in D. There is footage of Berkman going up Tal's Hill to catch a fly ball!
I think the position rating is also overrated. I think this is more evidence that it has no effect on the game. We have to remember no position rating does not mean a player can not play a position. What it means is he is lacking something managers generally want at that position. A slower CF might still be a good fielder in that he doesn't make many errors. Part of the reason for that is he doesn't get to as many balls. By the game metrics any one can get a rating at corner OF or 1B. All other positions no rating means he doesn't say have the arm for 3B or SS, the range for CF, SS, 2B, or the turn DP for SS, 2B, and 3B.
What we may or may not be seeing here is the AI is not looking at position ratings but how the 3 OF or 4 IF ratings stack up. The AI may be making a decision that a slower CF that has no rating due to lack of range is better than an error prone CF. It may be saying a 3B who can't turn a DP is better than one with little range and error prone. In both cases the player will not have a rating but still might perform better than a player with a rating. One guy has all the basic tools to play say CF but is barely. While one guy lacks one tool but makes up for it in the other tools.
I think the position ratings are only a quick guide for players and have no real impact on the game. It is a way to quickly see how guys stack up. As a manager sometimes I ignore the position ratings. If I actually have range in RF and LF I might go with a lower range guy but low error guy like Biggio. If my SS has plus range a higher rated 3B who has more range but less something else may be benched for a lower range 3B who has better error, arm, and TDP.
I don't think looking at fielding ratings or lack of alone is a good comparison. A lack of a rating means a guy is lacking one tool. That doesn't mean if say you are willing to give up some DPs a 3B with low TDP may not be better than one with a high TDP and a rating if his error rating, range, and arm are better. The only thing holding him back is TDP. I might in some cases go with the guy with no rating.
Some have accused the game of having a hidden fielding rating. I don't believe that is the case. I think the AI simply doesn't use the fielding rating and for each position the code somehow weights the component fielding ratings that help form a fielding rating. In some cases that means a guy with no rating might be better than a guy with a rating. A guy lacking one tool may be better than a guy who has all tools but is borderline in all his ratings.
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I don't mind the game 'mimicking' what happened in real life (a lot of players have moved from position to position over the years) but I don't want the game to do things that have never happened yet or never will.
All I want is an option that lets me tell the game a player can not play a position he does not have a defensive rating for...