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Old 12-18-2014, 03:04 PM   #3
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Five-time 20 game winner, won at least 15 games in 10 seasons, career ERA under 3.00 in a "heavy hitting" league, 5 CYA's and extremely popular despite being a loner and a money-grabber. OK, he might be eligible for my HoF if he addresses his relatively low career wins. He needs to play a few more years and get into the mid 200's. Sorry, I'm tough. ()

I'll let the eggheads argue over the VORP and WAR - I don't pay attention to those.
WAR aligns with someone in the career top 15 of pitchers. Where he gets a big thumbs up is his ERA+, that would be the #1 starting pitcher of all time above Pedro Martinez. And only #2 all time below Mariano Rivera.

I would equate this career closest to the above mentioned Pedro, so yea. He's a HOFer in my book already. If he started younger or pitches a couple more quality years, he'll be a sure fire HOFer.

But to be the best of all time conversation, he needs a longer career in my book.
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