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Originally Posted by Cool Papa Bell
Great post and some great suggestions, though I really have to weigh in on the Lefty Grove comment. While TF Brown was fantastic and could have been even higher on HOF lists had he had a little longer career, Lefty Grove pitched versus second division teams? Seriously man, he was facing the YANKEES of the 20's and 30's, I think that is enough said. It was a different era playing in the 20's and 30's, no comparison to the aughts and teens. Grove's numbers are freakish considering he pitched in comparison to Brown in an era with 4 to 5 times the number of home runs hit and 50 to 60 points higher team batting averages. I think it really does a disservice to Grove to say he pitched versus second division teams as the reason he's the 8th greatest pitcher of all time and one the greatest lefties to every pitch. Just my opinion man.
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Grove
Lefty Grove from 1929-1931 pitched:
140.2 innings against Boston.
140.1 innings against Cleveland.
138.2 innings against Detroit.
125.2 innings against Washington.
124.1 innings against Chicago.
104.1 innings against St. Louis.
and
72 innings versus the New York Yankees. and a 4.86 ERA
SEVENTY TWO
in 1930 alone
1. 16.2 innings against NY.
2. 46.2 innings against Washington.
3. 48.0 innings against Cleveland.
4. 56.0 innings against Detroit.
5. 34.1 innings against StL.
6. 35.2 innings against Chicago.
7. 53.2 innings against Boston.
in 1928 when he DID face the Yankees and their Lefty power he stunk...went 1-6 and I can't recall the ERA think it was high 6's
While Mordecai Brown faced the Giants and Pirates about 10 times a year while facing the Braves and Phillies less than 5
Sorry CPB, you need to rethink your stance on Grove, he was vastly over rated. I do think he is top 20, but many put him in the top 10 and I strongly disagree. He was also a sulker, sometimes leaving the team for weeks after a bad game and I don't like those people on principal.