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Originally Posted by keonleafs
Dear UK,
About 5-6 pics you have posted here have been colorized personally by John of the Baseball Birthdays Forum. I, for one, know that colorizing a B&W picture at John's level, takes a lot of thoroughness, preciseness and time. Like other great colorizers on this web site, I truly think they are all an asset to our hobby, and they should receive all the credit they are owed for their work of art!
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Please see the narrative attached to the group of photos I attached for the first year I posted.
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I have available literally hundreds of alternatives to the images in the recently released facepack. In the main, but by no means always, these reflect my admiration to the skills of the many colorization wizards whose work benefits immensely those who visit this site. As an example I have posted my alternatives for those players who debuted in 1946. If there is a demand I will be more than willing to post alternatives for every other year.
On the left I post the current facepack image and the right an alternate image.
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In that context I believe your criticism is wholly unjustified as I was paying tribute to the wonderful efforts of those who had taken the time to post their brilliant colorizations. In my opinion their efforts should have been rewarded by their colorizations being included in the facepack.
Your point would be valid if you were of the opinion that by making my posts I was bringing credit to myself not the images I was posting. I have no idea why you would choose to take that point of view.....
I am totally puzzled by the sentiments you expressed. It is clearly on record on this site, numerous times, the extent of my admiration of the considerable time and effort the creators of these images put it. Yet you choose to criticize me when I try and promote their work for inclusion in the facepack. Perhaps you can explain why it is not their omission from the facepack that you are criticising. If the colorizers take the time and effort to take the time and effort to colorize a black and white image then should not their efforts be rewarded in just the manner you express. I would have expected your support , or perhaps your belief is that their efforts should only be promoted with the appropriate accreditation. If so that would have to applied to everyone not just one person and I ask you to think through the implications.
There are a number of criteria for a photo being included within the facepack but simply put it should be the best available photo for that player available. If it doesn't then what is the point of this and other similar threads? We might as well stop our efforts and I for one would believe that would be very sad and show a disrespect for the considerable efforts of those who have brought this thread to where it is from inception. Should we attach to every image in the facepack a narrative identifying its source? If that is what we should undertake then I would suggest it would be an impractical concept. It is my belief that the majority of contributors do so with the concept of benefit to the common good being the objective not personal promotion.
In view of the criticism I have received I will just stop posting these photos as it seems the time and effort I have spent in doing so is not appreciated. My motive was to promote and encourage those who grace this site and others with their work not to take credit for it personally.
Maybe this is a matter of culture but it would be my expectation that the creators of these images seek mainly and primarily for their WORK to be promoted and appreciated not necessarily their names. I certainly do not seek to exploit their work with any desire for any benefit or personal ambition be it financial or otherwise. If I have caused them offence I apologize and I want to assure them I post their photos out of respect and a desire for their work to be made available and treasured to as many as possible.
My final point is that this and other similar sites work because the primary ethos is of sharing not ownership.