[AlpineSK]

A couple of points..

1. This is not a community. This is the internet. We eat our own here.

2. It's not a matter of arrogance.. or perceived arrogance. There have been issues that have been well documented and unaddressed.. If his above post came in June, in the middle of BETA, then absolutely, that is what should happen. But this is a game that has been "fully released."

3. The anger I think comes largely from the $40 price tag. In the world of PC gaming, and especially PC sports gaming (and it is a limited market) that is quite the price to pay for a game. The "Great" games, namely OOTP Baseball and Football Manager carry a price tag similar or in FM's case higher than that, and they deliver on the promises of quality in their gaming.

4. You are correct, there is some useless banter on this forum, but I for one am kind of happy this topic was started.. Sometimes people need to vent. They need the people who produced a product for them to know that they are dissatisfied. Do you think 20 years ago in 1993 people who were unhappy with NHL '93 would be calling up EA and complaining? Personally, I doubt it. The internet (see comment #1) gives us the ability to voice our opinion.

5. Finally, you're right. They ARE in a tough spot. If they want help, I almost at this point feel like they need to meet the community in the middle. If there was a promised discount for FHM 14 for people who bought 13 for example, with admission of "yeah, this version was no where near what we expected, but with your help, we can make the next generation into the game YOU want! And we are going to give you a discount for sticking with us and helping us" then I think that will go a long way.

But if the dev team is going to say "this is it unless you help us" they're pretty much holding us hostage with the product that they have already given us unless the input comes largely from the "community."

Or they could just hire Ciccarelli...