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Ciccarelli · 10-03-2013, 03:26 PM

NOTE: I reduced the screen resolution in the game, so the images should be far less annoying on the browser than they were. You can thank me later.

- I don’t know if it’s just me, but it feels like the move from June 30 to July 1 is ridiculously slow (to the point where I thought it had crashed on several instances). Granted, it’s not a crash, but it seems utterly ridiculous since my computer is only a year old (and has 8 GB dual-core memory, which allows OOTP to run pretty fast, even with a large world database).

- I’m still seeing a LOT of newly signed 18- and 19-year-old prospects being signed and then promptly released by the AI in the game. I’m not seeing as much of the patented “sign and release on the same day” syndrome that plagued the last version (although I still see it from time to time), but the more disturbing trend has been to send them down to the AHL… and release them a few days to several weeks later (possibly to make room for those 35-and-over players. They’re the wave of the future, ya know?

). In one example, a fifth-round draft pick by Tampa Bay in the 2021 NHL Draft named Ryan Shore (LW, Waywayseecappo Wolverines):

Obviously a great player worthy of being signed to an entry-level contract a mere month after the draft. He then gets sent down to Syracuse for further seasoning, but then is suddenly released three days later (?). Now he is looking for more work at either the amateur or professional level.

Guys like this seem to be the rule in the game, not the exception. In an extremely disturbing trend, here are the free agents in the game as of August 11, 2021, sorted by player potential:

Notice the gigantic elephant in the room? The player with the 9.5 potential (Elton Wallace) was the fourth overall pick in the NHL Draft, but spent the last year playing ten games in the KHL (Severstal Cherepovets), but no team in the database holds his player rights. This seems to be a problem not with players in the CHL (those players look like they just go back to their original club once they are released from the NHL), but with players who are 20 and over (rights no longer held by a CHL club) and players whose rights were not selected in a CHL draft (i.e. players who would be, in most circumstances, college-bound or in a European league [if European]). Once again, this is kind of a gamebreaker. Especially if I were playing, what’s the point of drafting if all the AI is going to do is hastily sign and then release their prospects as quickly as they signed them? All one would have to do is sit and wait until a player like Elton Wallace is cut, then sign him on the cheap (whether he develops, or not, is another story).

- In terms of player regression, I guess I had spoken too soon about the resilience of Ville Peltonen:

He has retired this past offseason, however, so we will not see Mr. Peltonen in his half-centenarian form. And yes, it still looks like players retire in August, vanish from the historical database and then return on July 1 once they officially announce their retirement. A moment of silence to remember our cult hero:

- The 55-year-old from the last soak, Andrei Subbotin, is still going strong at age 48, however.

The fact that father time has done minimal damage to Subbotin’s attributes isn’t the problem (actually, it’s kinda neat since I was expecting his physical attributes to have already fallen off of a cliff). The problem is that he has been signed to a two-way NHL contract, for the first time in his career, at the age of 48.

It just doesn’t make sense for a Russian, who has no experience of playing hockey in the Western Hemisphere, to sign for what should be less (considering it’s a two-way contract) to get third- or fourth-line duty in the minor leagues. It looks to me that the player AI, when seeing a contract, is looking at the NHL contract amount (more money than they would make in Europe) than they do at looking at their situation (are they actually going to play in the NHL? Will I have to take less if I play in the minors? Will I be able to adapt to the smaller North American ice surfaces?). Honestly, once a European hits the age of 30 (an age where they should be established players), it should be significantly harder for an NHL or North American team to sign them. Obviously, there are exceptions (like Ville Peltonen, Petr Tenkrat, Jaroslav Hlinka and, more recently, Roman Cervenka and Raphael Diaz), but there’s one major trend for those players: They played in the NHL and most weren’t on two-way contracts (except for Diaz, but he hasn’t seen the AHL yet).

- Looking at Sidney Crosby, here are his original ratings:

And here are his attributes eight years into the game:

Several things jump at me off the bat:

- The physical attributes don’t seem to be declining as fast as they were. He has become a mediocre skater in his mid 30’s (understandable), but isn’t to the point where he is just embarrassing himself on the ice.

- I find it interesting that Crosby has also become softer with age as well (noting the significant decreases to fighting, aggression and bravery).

- His ability to get open, pass and handle the puck have decreased somewhat (an improvement since puckhandling never changed in the previous version).

- It still looks like certain attributes aren’t declining (and I’ve noticed this with other players as well), specifically shooting accuracy, shooting range, offensive read, faceoffs, positioning, shot blocking, pokechecking and defensive read. Some of these attributes I question whether or not they should decline (such as offensive and defensive read, but since I see that his hockey sense has declined by two, shouldn’t these attributes be penalized?), but since I’ve noticed that even though Crosby’s bravery has fallen significantly, shouldn’t positioning, shot blocking and pokechecking drop (since, in theory, he should be more reluctant to get hurt, thus take fewer risks with his body, such as get into position in front of the net (where he’ll risk injury) or block shots (risk injury). As for shooting, it looks like those attributes still don’t decline (I don’t think these should be falling off the face of the map, but these should have a higher chance of declining as well, especially since Crosby’s ability to handle the puck has dropped, which might mean that he won’t be able to shoot the puck as far or as accurately as he once did?).

- I'm also wondering why his number has changed from 87 to 78 (I saw this in the other soak as well) when he hasn't changed teams. Maybe had a change of heart and is going by the Imperal method of dates (7.8.87?).

- I’ve also noticed that there are signing deadlines in the unsigned prospects page (good), but the dates are wrong (all are showing august 31 as the deadline to sign these players):

- I also wanted to mention that Kenny Agostino’s rights are no longer controlled by the Penguins. He was part of the trade that brought Jarome Iginla to the Pens last season, so his rights should be held by the Calgary Flames (just nitpicking. I don’t mind, since he has the chance to be solid).

That’s all I’ve got for now. I’m going to sim a few more years and then follow the 2023 Draft once again (but not participate, since it looks like a lot of my players are going to be released by the AI).

10-03-2013, 03:26 PM	#10
Ciccarelli Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 316	NOTE: I reduced the screen resolution in the game, so the images should be far less annoying on the browser than they were. You can thank me later. - I don’t know if it’s just me, but it feels like the move from June 30 to July 1 is ridiculously slow (to the point where I thought it had crashed on several instances). Granted, it’s not a crash, but it seems utterly ridiculous since my computer is only a year old (and has 8 GB dual-core memory, which allows OOTP to run pretty fast, even with a large world database). - I’m still seeing a LOT of newly signed 18- and 19-year-old prospects being signed and then promptly released by the AI in the game. I’m not seeing as much of the patented “sign and release on the same day” syndrome that plagued the last version (although I still see it from time to time), but the more disturbing trend has been to send them down to the AHL… and release them a few days to several weeks later (possibly to make room for those 35-and-over players. They’re the wave of the future, ya know? ). In one example, a fifth-round draft pick by Tampa Bay in the 2021 NHL Draft named Ryan Shore (LW, Waywayseecappo Wolverines): Obviously a great player worthy of being signed to an entry-level contract a mere month after the draft. He then gets sent down to Syracuse for further seasoning, but then is suddenly released three days later (?). Now he is looking for more work at either the amateur or professional level. Guys like this seem to be the rule in the game, not the exception. In an extremely disturbing trend, here are the free agents in the game as of August 11, 2021, sorted by player potential: Notice the gigantic elephant in the room? The player with the 9.5 potential (Elton Wallace) was the fourth overall pick in the NHL Draft, but spent the last year playing ten games in the KHL (Severstal Cherepovets), but no team in the database holds his player rights. This seems to be a problem not with players in the CHL (those players look like they just go back to their original club once they are released from the NHL), but with players who are 20 and over (rights no longer held by a CHL club) and players whose rights were not selected in a CHL draft (i.e. players who would be, in most circumstances, college-bound or in a European league [if European]). Once again, this is kind of a gamebreaker. Especially if I were playing, what’s the point of drafting if all the AI is going to do is hastily sign and then release their prospects as quickly as they signed them? All one would have to do is sit and wait until a player like Elton Wallace is cut, then sign him on the cheap (whether he develops, or not, is another story). - In terms of player regression, I guess I had spoken too soon about the resilience of Ville Peltonen: He has retired this past offseason, however, so we will not see Mr. Peltonen in his half-centenarian form. And yes, it still looks like players retire in August, vanish from the historical database and then return on July 1 once they officially announce their retirement. A moment of silence to remember our cult hero: - The 55-year-old from the last soak, Andrei Subbotin, is still going strong at age 48, however. The fact that father time has done minimal damage to Subbotin’s attributes isn’t the problem (actually, it’s kinda neat since I was expecting his physical attributes to have already fallen off of a cliff). The problem is that he has been signed to a two-way NHL contract, for the first time in his career, at the age of 48. It just doesn’t make sense for a Russian, who has no experience of playing hockey in the Western Hemisphere, to sign for what should be less (considering it’s a two-way contract) to get third- or fourth-line duty in the minor leagues. It looks to me that the player AI, when seeing a contract, is looking at the NHL contract amount (more money than they would make in Europe) than they do at looking at their situation (are they actually going to play in the NHL? Will I have to take less if I play in the minors? Will I be able to adapt to the smaller North American ice surfaces?). Honestly, once a European hits the age of 30 (an age where they should be established players), it should be significantly harder for an NHL or North American team to sign them. Obviously, there are exceptions (like Ville Peltonen, Petr Tenkrat, Jaroslav Hlinka and, more recently, Roman Cervenka and Raphael Diaz), but there’s one major trend for those players: They played in the NHL and most weren’t on two-way contracts (except for Diaz, but he hasn’t seen the AHL yet). - Looking at Sidney Crosby, here are his original ratings: And here are his attributes eight years into the game: Several things jump at me off the bat: - The physical attributes don’t seem to be declining as fast as they were. He has become a mediocre skater in his mid 30’s (understandable), but isn’t to the point where he is just embarrassing himself on the ice. - I find it interesting that Crosby has also become softer with age as well (noting the significant decreases to fighting, aggression and bravery). - His ability to get open, pass and handle the puck have decreased somewhat (an improvement since puckhandling never changed in the previous version). - It still looks like certain attributes aren’t declining (and I’ve noticed this with other players as well), specifically shooting accuracy, shooting range, offensive read, faceoffs, positioning, shot blocking, pokechecking and defensive read. Some of these attributes I question whether or not they should decline (such as offensive and defensive read, but since I see that his hockey sense has declined by two, shouldn’t these attributes be penalized?), but since I’ve noticed that even though Crosby’s bravery has fallen significantly, shouldn’t positioning, shot blocking and pokechecking drop (since, in theory, he should be more reluctant to get hurt, thus take fewer risks with his body, such as get into position in front of the net (where he’ll risk injury) or block shots (risk injury). As for shooting, it looks like those attributes still don’t decline (I don’t think these should be falling off the face of the map, but these should have a higher chance of declining as well, especially since Crosby’s ability to handle the puck has dropped, which might mean that he won’t be able to shoot the puck as far or as accurately as he once did?). - I'm also wondering why his number has changed from 87 to 78 (I saw this in the other soak as well) when he hasn't changed teams. Maybe had a change of heart and is going by the Imperal method of dates (7.8.87?). - I’ve also noticed that there are signing deadlines in the unsigned prospects page (good), but the dates are wrong (all are showing august 31 as the deadline to sign these players): - I also wanted to mention that Kenny Agostino’s rights are no longer controlled by the Penguins. He was part of the trade that brought Jarome Iginla to the Pens last season, so his rights should be held by the Calgary Flames (just nitpicking. I don’t mind, since he has the chance to be solid). That’s all I’ve got for now. I’m going to sim a few more years and then follow the 2023 Draft once again (but not participate, since it looks like a lot of my players are going to be released by the AI). Last edited by Ciccarelli; 10-03-2013 at 03:31 PM.