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Originally Posted by lukasberger
Not going to tell you to "get a refund". In fact the way things are being handled here is very, very good, kudos to you.
Just wanted to comment because I'm not sure the baseball people vs. hockey people assessment is entirely accurate.
The baseball people at OOTP are Markus and Andreas who are the bosses, but aren't directly involved in working on FHM.
Of the FHM crew Jeff is definitely a "hockey person" he was on the EHM team, and so far as I know has never worked on OOTP at all.
Sebastien is a professional programmer more than a "baseball person". He's worked on IOOTP, but so far as I know, not on the "real" OOTP.
Malte I'm less sure about, but he has never posted regarding OOTP, that I've seen, not even on the beta forums, and only showed up on the team at the same time FHM started.
So I really don't think that this is a case of "baseball people" vs "hockey people" at all. Just a case of a small team having to create a big game.
As for the advice thing, would you really want a dev team to immediately implement any and all advice they get from everyone who bothers to send them a pm or email, "hockey" advice or not?
Surely we can agree that a game that was created by implementing all suggestions, even if they're good ones, would be a complete and total disaster. They have to pick and choose and prioritize. So I wouldn't read too much into whether any specific persons advice was taken immediately or not.
From my own experience, there are a great deal of features and ideas that I and other valued members of the OOTP and FHM beta teams have suggested that haven't yet been implemented and may never be. They're good ideas, but perhaps too hard to code or just don't fit in with the teams vision for the game.
But there are also many ideas we've brought up that have been implemented. In fact that's one of the reasons I love OOTP Developments, the team is very, very good about implementing and handling suggestions and feedback from their community.
I fully expect the FHM team to be the same, once they get over the initial hurdles of getting the game to be stable and reliable.
Just my two cents worth.
Anyway, please keep up the good work of being in the group of folks that're pushing for a better game, but doing so reasonably and intelligently. That sort of effort on your part is much appreciated by me and no doubt others too.
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I agree with many of the points you make Lukas. I appreciate it is a small development team and there must have been loads of suggestions of what to include. In my work I am often swamped with ideas for functions in the systems I design and create for my users. If I implemented them all it would be a disaster and a very laborious process. However, I look at what my brief is and I sort out what is needed in the application I develop. There are some basic things I would expect in a hockey game that have been missed in the development. The fact that OOTP have mastered a lot of the transaction type elements of a management game in OOTP baseball meant I didn't expect errors in the e.g Free Agent resigning in the Hockey Game.
I have read back a lot of the posts in the forum and very early on the fact that league structures would be fully editable was mentioned as a function that would be available and sadly in the release the option is greyed out. I hope this is fixed in a patch.
Looking back at early screenshots from December the game still looks the same and plays very similarly, with many of the same issues, as some of the beta versions that I played. I can't see at times where the progress has been made and that I find frustrating.
I think the release could have been delayed. Sometimes it's a difficult decision you have to make and yes users are disappointed but they appreciate the final working version more when it is delivered. The users here accepted a delay of a number of months, think it was 9 with the promise that the game would benefit from this.
The game is playable and I won't join the its unplayable brigade. For me it lacks the depth that a basic Hockey Management game should have. I have played Football Manager for 30 seasons with Ayr United (a small club) and 30 seasons with my expansion team the San Jose Stars in Draft Day Pro Sports Basketball 3, so I do stick with games. After 5 seasons I was done with FHM and I now look at the icon on my desktop and never feel like clicking it again unless there is a major improvement from the patches.
This is just how I feel and I don't expect all to agree.