[Mancandy]

Before I get too far, I want to make sure I'm thinking of the same "The Wolf" that is referenced in the OP. I believe it is the same "The Wolf" who in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ootp-14-a.html quoted this post:

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I happen to disagree. That doesn't mean I'm losing any sleep over this. Only that I feel that a 50% discount is drastic compared to the pre-order discount. My opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

And then posted this:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

So nobody should ever be able to buy the game for less than what you paid for it? Right.

And then when I posted this in response:

Originally Posted by Mancandy

It's a bit...well, curious, to say the least...that you took "50% is a bit drastic" and somehow turned that into "nobody should ever pay less than me." I'd be lying if I said I fully, or even partly, understand the logic there. Especially in light of the fact that, in an earlier post, Bobbuttons indicated no problem with last year's 25% All-Star discount.

He responded with this:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You got it wrong. That was a response to his "So loyalty gets us an 8% discount when otherwise you could get a 50% discount. It doesn't sit well with me, and I can't imagine that I'm the only one." statement.

Despite the fact that not only did he quote a different post than the one he now claims it was a response to, but neither the post that he quoted nor the post he claimed he was responded to said anything remotely close to "nobody should ever pay less than me" and, in fact, the person he was responding to was quoting as saying they didn't mind discounts to an extent, so their known feelings were completely contrary to the words that The Wolf was putting in their mouth. Is that the same "The Wolf" being referenced in the OP?

Because if it is, I believe it's also the same "The Wolf" that was in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ng-amazon.html continually ignoring all rational arguments, repeatedly stating that anybody who doesn't purchase from OOTP directly isn't fully supporting the company because all of their money isn't going directly to the company, and rather than having an intellectual conversation simply directed people to somebody who agreed with him as proof that he was somehow right and everybody else was somehow wrong(how opinions can be so unequivocally right or how, I'll never know), then going a step further and declaring himself the victor in the argument, despite never actually attempting to argue anything...only to then expose himself as a complete, inarguable, and embarrassingly extreme hypocrite when he tried to claim that people who buy OOTP from OOTP directly at a discounted price are still fully supporting the company. Huh? We're supposed to believe that somebody who buys the game for, say, $39.95 on Amazon with $39.95 of that going to OOTP isn't fully supportive...but somebody who buys the game for $29.95 from OOTP is? HA! HAHA! HAHAHAHAHA!!! I think it's pretty obvious he realized that under his idiotic definition of fully supportive(giving OOTP as much money as possible), he wasn't fully supportive given the times he pre-ordered for a discount price. That had to hurt.

Then again, you can't really be surprised considering in this very thread he posted this:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Thank you for, unlike almost everyone else posting here, offering constructive suggestions. Pretty much everyone else except me would rather fight.

Night all. Please post constructive suggestions instead of attacks and nonsense.

Despite, in the same thread, posting gems such as:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You admit there are still flaws and deny that I could have seen any in the same post?

Obviously they said no such thing; again, putting words in somebody's mouth.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Wrong.

This one's really special, because take a look at what he quoted as being wrong in his post:

Originally Posted by Questdog

EVERYTHING on your list is already included in the programming of the stroylines

Now take a look at the actual post he took that quote from:

Originally Posted by Questdog

EVERYTHING on your list is already included in the programming of the stroylines, the only thing that needs to be done is to find volunteers to write them

There is currently ONE person doing just that, so you should have patience with him

So, in addition to putting words in others' mouths, he's also editting posts to the extent that the real point of the post is now gone and it has an entirely different meaning. When you look at the full post in context, it's obvious that Questdog is talking about the deeper programming of the game itself, the things that only Markus works on - and, by the way, something that The Wolf would know absolutely nothing about - so how he knows that that is wrong, I have no idea. Which is probably how he had to reduce the post to something that he could say was wrong, because if he didn't do that, he'd actually have to respond with substance and intellect instead of...well, nonsense.

But let's move on, shall we? There was also this nugget:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Getting tired of lying yet?

Right, calling somebody a liar - and that being the entire extent of a post - is so constructive, and not picking a fight at all.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

LOL, I'm trying to be constructive and all you are doing is posing, misrepresenting and throwing slurs. Too funny

More lies and hypocrisy. How is insulting somebody constructive and not fight picking, exactly?

Originally Posted by The Wolf

QuestDog:

I don't like the way you argue either. I especially dislike how you consistently misrepresent my viewpoints, arguments and methods.

I tire of you telling me how I must answer this or that, or do X your way. No way that is ever happening.

You demand a response? Hah. Where is my response to my four questions from OOTP? They felt that they were not obligated to discuss this matter on my terms. Surprise, I will never discuss anything with you on yours, only on mine.

Again, how is this constructive and not picking a fight? You have so many complaints about how other people act towards you, but you act the exact same way towards them...only worse.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You missed the mark entirely, and I suspect on purpose.

What mark was missed, exactly? The world may never know. All we'll ever know is that The Wolf thinks he did it on purpose, which can only be described as an inflammatory remark designed to...oh my, what's that? Pick a fight!

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Wrong again. You should go back and look and see who stops discussing the issue first and makes the first attack.

What's wrong? Again, beats me. All I know is that this is even more blatant hypocrisy, given that this guy invariably makes the first attack.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

In a large enough random group, half of the people will be of below average intelligence as well.

The implication here speaks for itself. If this is constructive and not picking a fight, I'd hate to see you trying to pick a fight.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Should you be forced to post in real sentences? Should Mgom be asked to post in readily comprehensible ones? I don't think so.

Picking a fight with two people in one post.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

FYI, I have always found your use of ellipses instead of periods and sentences to be really annoying, but that's just who you are, so I have never mentioned it to you.

At least this is somewhat constructive. We learned that he thinks that something that has no effect on the actual meaning of the sentence(how many periods are used) is the same as the actual words being used. LOL. At least he's being constructive while he's picking a fight...progress? (By the way, bonus points if you noted that he managed to find a way to reply to the post without addressing one single point in that post, which if you've been paying attention, is something he loves to complain about others doing.)

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Trolling is "submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response."

I post what I know and what I believe without such intent. My views are not mainstream and people strongly object to those views and post angry and insulting responses and off we go. I don't like it when they do so and I don't like getting angry myself. That's not trolling. That's being in an oppressed minority.

I'll end it here because, I mean, this speaks for itself. He defines a troll, which obviously fits him perfectly to the letter, and then goes on a delusional rant that has no basis in reality in a vein attempt to prove he's not a troll. Oppressed minority? Please. If your intent wasn't to incite an angry response, you wouldn't start your posts with "fail." (I didn't quote that post here, but it's there.) You wouldn't consistently ignore every important part of a person's post and pick out one thing, no matter how insignificant, that you can argue for the sole purpose of making yourself feel superior. You wouldn't continually state your opinion time after time when people disagree with you without even attempting to address the reasons they listed as to why they disagree with you. You wouldn't constantly attack other people and accuse them of being or doing things that you are always guilty of yourself. You do all of these things because you know they will make people angry. You do all of these things to incite a response out of people. You do all of these things because you are either unwilling to have, or are incapable of having, a calm, rational, mature, intelligent conversation.

Yes, it appears it is indeed the same "The Wolf" we're talking about here.

As far as storylines go, I don't have a problem with them. It's been well established that, if they're coded properly, they work just fine. I like that they add a level of uniqueness to every game. And, personally, I think OOTP has many other things that should be worked on well before anything is done to storylines. Especially because you can turn them off if you don't like them, which is fine. People play games for many different reasons, and some of those reasons are best served with storylines turned off. Heck, I turn them off in at least half the games I play...I don't think they really fit in historical games(unless they were programmed to match history and included players throwing a World Series or leaving for war or whatever), for example. But in modern games, like I said before, I think there's a level of randomness and uniqueness that they provide in a game where many things play out the same in each game. And I really enjoy that.