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Questdog · 04-26-2013, 06:20 PM

I agree, Charlie, if you are working for the club at the arbitration hearings.......but otherwise, it doesn't matter how those wins or the avoidance of losses came about as much as the fact that they happened (or didn't)......does the fact that Joe DiMaggio had a few cheap hits during his 56 game hit streak mean that we should not acknowledge it?.....or how about the game that ended the streak, when by all accounts he was robbed of a few hits by excellent fielding?.....should we say he deserved a hit and continue the streak?.....

Bottom line is that every event in a baseball game is predicated by its context and enviroment.....to try to eliminate their influence from the record is an exercise in futility....

In Face's case, I don't know, but hypothetically, the hits he gave up to relinquish the lead may have not been due to poor pitching, but just bad luck....why should he have to be saddled with the responsibility for their happenstance, yet not get relieved of it by another lucky happenstance?......and where sabermetrics gets in murky waters (to me) is when it makes proclamations about what is happenstance and what is not.....

04-26-2013, 06:20 PM	#27
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	I agree, Charlie, if you are working for the club at the arbitration hearings.......but otherwise, it doesn't matter how those wins or the avoidance of losses came about as much as the fact that they happened (or didn't)......does the fact that Joe DiMaggio had a few cheap hits during his 56 game hit streak mean that we should not acknowledge it?.....or how about the game that ended the streak, when by all accounts he was robbed of a few hits by excellent fielding?.....should we say he deserved a hit and continue the streak?..... Bottom line is that every event in a baseball game is predicated by its context and enviroment.....to try to eliminate their influence from the record is an exercise in futility.... In Face's case, I don't know, but hypothetically, the hits he gave up to relinquish the lead may have not been due to poor pitching, but just bad luck....why should he have to be saddled with the responsibility for their happenstance, yet not get relieved of it by another lucky happenstance?......and where sabermetrics gets in murky waters (to me) is when it makes proclamations about what is happenstance and what is not..... Last edited by Questdog; 04-26-2013 at 06:29 PM.