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CBL-Commish · 02-26-2013, 07:34 AM

Dola,

More interesting data... Willie Keeler had 33 career homers, 30 ISTP, 1 bounced. He hit two balls over the fence in almost 10,000 PAs.

Also, I've looked at the top 20 home run hitters through 1920. The vast majority of them hit ISTPers in the 10-20% range, even though the rest of the league was usually far above that mark. A handful of really fast guys with power did better; Sam Crawford was a bit over 50%, Honus was at 46 out of 100, Jake Beckeley at 38 of 87.

But then there are guys like Fred Luderus (who I'll admit to never having heard of before 10 minutes ago) hit 6 of 84 ISTP, but also 62 of 84 in tiny Baker Bowl.

Bad Bill Dahlen was only 10 of 84. Cap Anson 8 of 97. Sherry Mcgee, 22 of 83. Jimmy Ryan 17 of 118.

Fred Pfeffer 9 of 94, but 71 at home including all of his 1884 homers. Lakefront Park in Chicago in 1884 had to have a HR factor of 800 or something. Does OOTP even model that right? That was the park that was < 300 ft almost all around.

Dashing King Kelly only hit 3 of 69 inside the park. Hardy Richardson 11 of 70. Ambidextrous, glove-shunning Jerry Denny only 4 of 74. Laughing Larry Doyle 16 of 74. The last lefty catcher, Jack Clements, only 4 of 76. Home Run Baker only 5 of 96.

In any case... to do this right there's going to have to be a combination of power and speed that determines an individual's ISTP baseline number, and some pretty extreme park effects that are used to split each park's numbers down right. What data we have shows that individual ISTP percentages in the deadball era ranged from roughly 5% to over 90%.

And then we get to the case of bounce home runs, which may have been 3-5% of the total prior to the rules change about 1920ish. Maybe for OOTP15...

02-26-2013, 07:34 AM	#33
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	Dola, More interesting data... Willie Keeler had 33 career homers, 30 ISTP, 1 bounced. He hit two balls over the fence in almost 10,000 PAs. Also, I've looked at the top 20 home run hitters through 1920. The vast majority of them hit ISTPers in the 10-20% range, even though the rest of the league was usually far above that mark. A handful of really fast guys with power did better; Sam Crawford was a bit over 50%, Honus was at 46 out of 100, Jake Beckeley at 38 of 87. But then there are guys like Fred Luderus (who I'll admit to never having heard of before 10 minutes ago) hit 6 of 84 ISTP, but also 62 of 84 in tiny Baker Bowl. Bad Bill Dahlen was only 10 of 84. Cap Anson 8 of 97. Sherry Mcgee, 22 of 83. Jimmy Ryan 17 of 118. Fred Pfeffer 9 of 94, but 71 at home including all of his 1884 homers. Lakefront Park in Chicago in 1884 had to have a HR factor of 800 or something. Does OOTP even model that right? That was the park that was < 300 ft almost all around. Dashing King Kelly only hit 3 of 69 inside the park. Hardy Richardson 11 of 70. Ambidextrous, glove-shunning Jerry Denny only 4 of 74. Laughing Larry Doyle 16 of 74. The last lefty catcher, Jack Clements, only 4 of 76. Home Run Baker only 5 of 96. In any case... to do this right there's going to have to be a combination of power and speed that determines an individual's ISTP baseline number, and some pretty extreme park effects that are used to split each park's numbers down right. What data we have shows that individual ISTP percentages in the deadball era ranged from roughly 5% to over 90%. And then we get to the case of bounce home runs, which may have been 3-5% of the total prior to the rules change about 1920ish. Maybe for OOTP15... __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com Last edited by CBL-Commish; 02-26-2013 at 08:21 AM.