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VanillaGorilla · 02-18-2013, 11:37 AM

If only I could have planned out what happened in the screening. It dovetails right into the previous posts about the dynamism of the HOF model. 2 players were screened (batters) who both hold claims to entry based on their HOFs score. Both had scores of 49, the score Dusty Baker had last class. Had Baker Been inducted alone and, thusly, the threshold for breaking the Hall ave of HOFs had remained at 49, we would have had two different entrants. But, since Jimmy Walsh joined in the same class with a HOFs score above 49, that threshold is now over 49.

It could fall back and those players will be noted if they enter, or it may continue to rise. Though Baker's entry did help bring down the standards in other categories (as did Walsh's for Black and Gray Ink) the score needed to be deemed Hall worthy on the SS has risen. If the two entrants that did get in had been at the top of the list to start with, then I never would have seen this happen. Also, had Baker been inducted alone and the two players who did get in were at the top of the list, it would not have mattered, because they got in on standards that were unaffected by the Walsh entry raising the HOFs number.

This is what is happening behind the scenes. I don't know who will get in, or when they will get in, until they are in. I know that some players are highly probable to get in, eventually, but it is the workings of these bubble entries that really fascinate me.

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Ed Konetchy was selected by the Expos as the 4th player in the 1992 draft. From 1994 to 2000 he played in every game. In 2001, he broke his elbow 5 games into the season and missed the rest of that year. In 2002, he was fully healed and played in 162 games and hit a career high average of .343 and slugged a career high .561 and had a career high npa OPS+ of 158 while collecting another career high of 216 base hits as a member of the Chicago Cubs. In 2003 he again played 162 games.

His career lasted through the 2007 season, which found him north of the border, again, as a Toronto Blue Jay. For his career he collected 2428 hits (29th, ahead 1 spot of HOFer Adrian Gonzalez) and slashed 309/378/493 (npa OPS+133).

Konetchy played on 5 All-Star teams and collected 200 or more hits in a season 5 times, as well. He hit 272 HRs and stole 289 bases. In 1996 he and fellow HOFer Steve Carlton brought Montreal a WS title. Paid attendance for the Game 5 clincher was 11,110....okay, I made up the attendance figure....

Konetchy enters by virtue of his HOFs nmber being above the Hall average.

Black Ink: 14 (4)
Gray Ink: 97 (149)
HOFm: 126 (16)
HOFs: 56 (19)

Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (1.7)

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Andre Dawson is the 50th entrant into this HOF. Surprisingly, he is only the 7th RL HOFer to be enshrined, here.

Is ironic that Dawson's classmate left the Expos to join the Cubs. It is also ironic that their numbers, while different, wind up resulting in the same GC score rounded to the tenth.

Dawson scored a 49 in the HOFs metric. However, he had retired in 1996 and was, therefore, eligible to be inducted on the Veteran Standard. His composites were within range and he gets a spot in the converted tractor shed.

Dawson was chosen by the Braves with the 8th overall pick in 1977. Unlike Konetchy, and true to real life, he battled through knee and ankle injuries during his career.

Before any of that happened, he had back injuries his rookie season. Despite two trips to the DL, he won ROY honors in 1978 as he hit 25 HRs and drove in 87 in 129 games while batting .327 and posting a npa OPS+ of 155.

1983 was his last year in Atlanta. He hit an amazing 44 HRs in only 114 games. IRL perspective, in 1983 Mike Schmidt led the Major leagues in HRs with 40. Schmidt played in 154 games. Dawson's 126 RBI in 114 games here, equals the ML best from 1983 posted by Jim Rice and Cecil Cooper who played 155 and 160 games, respectively. IRL, Dale Murphy, playing in the same Fulton County Stadium, hit 36 HRs and drove in 121 runs....in 162 games. This season, here, for Dawson is simply incredible. His na OPS+ for the year was 207.

In 1984 he signed with the Astros and played in an Astrodome that was a hitter's nightmare. Still, he hit 29 HRs in 109 games, there, and brought Houston a WS crown.

For his career, Dawson hit 411 HRs (46th) and drove in exactly 1400 runs (36th). Andre was an AS 4 times. His career slash line of 288/330/516 makes for a npa OPS+ of 135. Dawson also picked up 282 SBs in his career, and a GG in CF.

As previously mentioned, he enters on the Veteran Standard.

Black Ink: 19 (11)
Gray Ink: 127 (164)
HOFm: 94.5 (118)
HOFs: 49 (44)

Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (3.2) <---- Amazing, this

02-18-2013, 11:37 AM	#33
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	Class of 2024 (1952): Konetchy, Dawson If only I could have planned out what happened in the screening. It dovetails right into the previous posts about the dynamism of the HOF model. 2 players were screened (batters) who both hold claims to entry based on their HOFs score. Both had scores of 49, the score Dusty Baker had last class. Had Baker Been inducted alone and, thusly, the threshold for breaking the Hall ave of HOFs had remained at 49, we would have had two different entrants. But, since Jimmy Walsh joined in the same class with a HOFs score above 49, that threshold is now over 49. It could fall back and those players will be noted if they enter, or it may continue to rise. Though Baker's entry did help bring down the standards in other categories (as did Walsh's for Black and Gray Ink) the score needed to be deemed Hall worthy on the SS has risen. If the two entrants that did get in had been at the top of the list to start with, then I never would have seen this happen. Also, had Baker been inducted alone and the two players who did get in were at the top of the list, it would not have mattered, because they got in on standards that were unaffected by the Walsh entry raising the HOFs number. This is what is happening behind the scenes. I don't know who will get in, or when they will get in, until they are in. I know that some players are highly probable to get in, eventually, but it is the workings of these bubble entries that really fascinate me. ------------------------------ Ed Konetchy was selected by the Expos as the 4th player in the 1992 draft. From 1994 to 2000 he played in every game. In 2001, he broke his elbow 5 games into the season and missed the rest of that year. In 2002, he was fully healed and played in 162 games and hit a career high average of .343 and slugged a career high .561 and had a career high npa OPS+ of 158 while collecting another career high of 216 base hits as a member of the Chicago Cubs. In 2003 he again played 162 games. His career lasted through the 2007 season, which found him north of the border, again, as a Toronto Blue Jay. For his career he collected 2428 hits (29th, ahead 1 spot of HOFer Adrian Gonzalez) and slashed 309/378/493 (npa OPS+133). Konetchy played on 5 All-Star teams and collected 200 or more hits in a season 5 times, as well. He hit 272 HRs and stole 289 bases. In 1996 he and fellow HOFer Steve Carlton brought Montreal a WS title. Paid attendance for the Game 5 clincher was 11,110....okay, I made up the attendance figure.... Konetchy enters by virtue of his HOFs nmber being above the Hall average. Black Ink: 14 (4) Gray Ink: 97 (149) HOFm: 126 (16) HOFs: 56 (19) Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (1.7) -------------------------------- Andre Dawson is the 50th entrant into this HOF. Surprisingly, he is only the 7th RL HOFer to be enshrined, here. Is ironic that Dawson's classmate left the Expos to join the Cubs. It is also ironic that their numbers, while different, wind up resulting in the same GC score rounded to the tenth. Dawson scored a 49 in the HOFs metric. However, he had retired in 1996 and was, therefore, eligible to be inducted on the Veteran Standard. His composites were within range and he gets a spot in the converted tractor shed. Dawson was chosen by the Braves with the 8th overall pick in 1977. Unlike Konetchy, and true to real life, he battled through knee and ankle injuries during his career. Before any of that happened, he had back injuries his rookie season. Despite two trips to the DL, he won ROY honors in 1978 as he hit 25 HRs and drove in 87 in 129 games while batting .327 and posting a npa OPS+ of 155. 1983 was his last year in Atlanta. He hit an amazing 44 HRs in only 114 games. IRL perspective, in 1983 Mike Schmidt led the Major leagues in HRs with 40. Schmidt played in 154 games. Dawson's 126 RBI in 114 games here, equals the ML best from 1983 posted by Jim Rice and Cecil Cooper who played 155 and 160 games, respectively. IRL, Dale Murphy, playing in the same Fulton County Stadium, hit 36 HRs and drove in 121 runs....in 162 games. This season, here, for Dawson is simply incredible. His na OPS+ for the year was 207. In 1984 he signed with the Astros and played in an Astrodome that was a hitter's nightmare. Still, he hit 29 HRs in 109 games, there, and brought Houston a WS crown. For his career, Dawson hit 411 HRs (46th) and drove in exactly 1400 runs (36th). Andre was an AS 4 times. His career slash line of 288/330/516 makes for a npa OPS+ of 135. Dawson also picked up 282 SBs in his career, and a GG in CF. As previously mentioned, he enters on the Veteran Standard. Black Ink: 19 (11) Gray Ink: 127 (164) HOFm: 94.5 (118) HOFs: 49 (44) Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (3.2) <---- Amazing, this Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 02-18-2013 at 12:01 PM.