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Originally Posted by StyxNCa
My point is being misunderstood and I don't know any other way of stating it so I won't try.
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You have said "all you care about is win or lost" which is totally fine, but sabermetrics are useful and if used correctly would help you win more games.
I don't agree with you that the basic stats provide every useful information. In 2008, Oliver Perez went 10-7 with 180 strikeouts and a 4.22ERA. Meanwhile on the west coast, Randy Johnson went 11-10 with 118 strikeouts and 3.91ERA. Oliver Perez gave up fewer hits and fewer Home runs, as can be seen in both league totals and H/9 and HR/9s. Well, based on these stats, won't you say that at least Oliver Perez is at least as comparable as Johnson?
Well, according to Sabermetricans on Baseball-Reference, Johnson produced 3.0WAR in 2008, Oliver Perez produced half of that. Despite a decent looking record and pretty good strikeouts total, Oliver Perez's ERA+ is just average (100), while Randy Johnson produced an above average ERA+(108)
Now, who do you think is a better pitcher in 2008? Randy Johnson or Oliver Perez? If you say "Oliver Perez", then I don't think we'll ever reach a cosensus because we clearly see numbers in a different way. However, just as me (and a lot of others here) respect your opinion, would you at least respect Sabermetrican's work even though you might not agree with them? And no, I would not call "My guess is people who need all these newfangled stats in the real world, for some reason, are either unable to figure things out by what they see from players or they just don't believe what their eyes are showing them" is a very respectful way of talking.
