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JMDurron · 01-21-2013, 10:34 PM

Well, there's living up to the hype, and then there's being a HOFer. They are two distinctly different things, IMO, with different requirements.

As I define "Living Up To The Hype", there are two requirements

1) Hitting the awesome potential ratings
2) Translating those ratings to on-the-field performance.

We saw the screenshot earlier where condition #1 was fulfilled, and for #2, I would argue that his 2036-2045 peak period, assuming that he was not randomly bad at fielding his position, he did translate all of his ratings to the appropriate on-the-field performance. For a RHH stud playing in Atlanta, and then NY, assuming that the ballpark factors did not change significantly, please take a moment to consider these, pulled from my own MLB Quickstart League:

Turner Field
Home Runs RHB - 0.880

Yankee Stadium
Home Runs RHB - 1.150

So, while Yankee Stadium would not have harmed him, having those awesome peak years of 2036-2040 in Atlanta just murdered his HR totals during his mid-20s. Yankee Stadium would have helped him later, but still. Look at those OPS+ numbers, which consider ballpark factors. This was a dominant player in the league for 9 consecutive years.

Then, we run into the requirements for this kind of player to "Become a HOFer"

1) Hit the max ratings early enough to start accumulating stats at an early age
2) Stay healthy late enough in his career to pile up the numbers

It took him 4 seasons to apparently either max his ratings, or to turn those ratings into peak performance. His ballpark may also not have been helping him there.

To add injury to insult, his career was then aborted by injury before he could wrap up some handy milestones, like 400 HRs (easily), 500 HRs (maybe), or 3000 hits (maybe).

I'd say that his ratings and performance measured up to his promise, but that his career failed to measure up to the HOF expectations due to slow development and injury. He ended up producing season numbers more like a Miguel Cabrera than a Barry Bonds, but that's still pretty excellent.

01-21-2013, 10:34 PM	#57
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,260	Well, there's living up to the hype, and then there's being a HOFer. They are two distinctly different things, IMO, with different requirements. As I define "Living Up To The Hype", there are two requirements 1) Hitting the awesome potential ratings 2) Translating those ratings to on-the-field performance. We saw the screenshot earlier where condition #1 was fulfilled, and for #2, I would argue that his 2036-2045 peak period, assuming that he was not randomly bad at fielding his position, he did translate all of his ratings to the appropriate on-the-field performance. For a RHH stud playing in Atlanta, and then NY, assuming that the ballpark factors did not change significantly, please take a moment to consider these, pulled from my own MLB Quickstart League: Turner Field Home Runs RHB - 0.880 Yankee Stadium Home Runs RHB - 1.150 So, while Yankee Stadium would not have harmed him, having those awesome peak years of 2036-2040 in Atlanta just murdered his HR totals during his mid-20s. Yankee Stadium would have helped him later, but still. Look at those OPS+ numbers, which consider ballpark factors. This was a dominant player in the league for 9 consecutive years. Then, we run into the requirements for this kind of player to "Become a HOFer" 1) Hit the max ratings early enough to start accumulating stats at an early age 2) Stay healthy late enough in his career to pile up the numbers It took him 4 seasons to apparently either max his ratings, or to turn those ratings into peak performance. His ballpark may also not have been helping him there. To add injury to insult, his career was then aborted by injury before he could wrap up some handy milestones, like 400 HRs (easily), 500 HRs (maybe), or 3000 hits (maybe). I'd say that his ratings and performance measured up to his promise, but that his career failed to measure up to the HOF expectations due to slow development and injury. He ended up producing season numbers more like a Miguel Cabrera than a Barry Bonds, but that's still pretty excellent.