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Scott Vibert · 04-04-2002, 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom:
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It's not an artificial factor. Ironic that OOTP includes such nebulous variables as 'Clutch Rating' or 'Team Leadership' and neglects a proven and quantifiable factor like Home Field Advantage.

It weakens the claim to 'simulation'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You have conviently ignored the statistical presentation that proved that your idea to adjust pitchers ratings for the home team as inaccurate and wrong. Other than presenting and repeating your 55% statistic you haven't presented anything to support the change you proposed to give the home field advantage.

Look I agree homefield advantage in real life is a factor (not as big a deal as you seem to believe though), however, to weaken the simulation in other respects just to bolster two fairly insignificant statistical values is a cost that isn't worth paying in my opinion. Does it really matter how many games team A won at home?, NO, what matters is how many they won overall.

The only type of homefield advantage that would seem realisitc to add to me is a very small one, and it would be attached to the teams stadium screen. The main home field advantage in MLB is familiarity with the park and its ground rules and the lay of the land. So each stadium could have a small factor (0-9) that reflected how much the home field would benefit the home team in that stadium. The effect of this factor would be a fraction of a percentage add to the chance of a favorable outcome to the home team on close plays. By setting it to 0 for all teams no team would have to deal with it, by setting it to 9 all teams would have the maximum benefit to their home parks, but it would still be a small effect.

And it would have less of an impact on the simulation then globally adjusting the ratings for the pitchers of the home and road teams as you proposed (and the stats just don't back it up).

For what its worth I wasn't a fan of the "clutch" rating being added either, fortunately the effect has in very small so I can live with it... blanketly changing the pitchers ratings as you proposed is something that I wouldn't be willing to deal with.

04-04-2002, 07:10 AM	#26
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom: <strong> It's not an artificial factor. Ironic that OOTP includes such nebulous variables as 'Clutch Rating' or 'Team Leadership' and neglects a proven and quantifiable factor like Home Field Advantage. It weakens the claim to 'simulation'.</strong><hr></blockquote> You have conviently ignored the statistical presentation that proved that your idea to adjust pitchers ratings for the home team as inaccurate and wrong. Other than presenting and repeating your 55% statistic you haven't presented anything to support the change you proposed to give the home field advantage. Look I agree homefield advantage in real life is a factor (not as big a deal as you seem to believe though), however, to weaken the simulation in other respects just to bolster two fairly insignificant statistical values is a cost that isn't worth paying in my opinion. Does it really matter how many games team A won at home?, NO, what matters is how many they won overall. The only type of homefield advantage that would seem realisitc to add to me is a very small one, and it would be attached to the teams stadium screen. The main home field advantage in MLB is familiarity with the park and its ground rules and the lay of the land. So each stadium could have a small factor (0-9) that reflected how much the home field would benefit the home team in that stadium. The effect of this factor would be a fraction of a percentage add to the chance of a favorable outcome to the home team on close plays. By setting it to 0 for all teams no team would have to deal with it, by setting it to 9 all teams would have the maximum benefit to their home parks, but it would still be a small effect. And it would have less of an impact on the simulation then globally adjusting the ratings for the pitchers of the home and road teams as you proposed (and the stats just don't back it up). For what its worth I wasn't a fan of the "clutch" rating being added either, fortunately the effect has in very small so I can live with it... blanketly changing the pitchers ratings as you proposed is something that I wouldn't be willing to deal with.