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Originally Posted by revcarte
Hate to get stuff stirred up again but also found it odd that on the 76 Reds George Foster and Ken Griffey Sr. are both rated higher on defense than Geronimo (Gold Glover) and Geronimo had a gun for an arm but the other guys have stronger arm ratings. There was no way that Foster or Griffey were as good defensively or had better arms than Geronimo in 1976. Sorry!
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Let's look at ratings:
Geronimo: 4 assists (vs. 12, 13 and 9 in surrounding years), dWAR -0.7
Foster: 9 assists among all OF positions, 0.6 dWAR
Griffey: 10 assists among all OF positions, -1.0 dWAR
So, Geronimo's assists dropped before picking up next year. That explains his low arm in 76, particularly v. the others. You could argue that people stopped running on him, but why did he rebound to 9 in 77?
As to overall rating, I assume you are comparing their ratings at different OF positions. Foster and Griffey do not have higher CF ratings than Geronimo. So, it is a bit apples to oranges. Nonetheless, Cesar scores as below average in 76.
Based on metrics, the ratings appear fairly justified. The question is whether the metrics are correct or the reputations, since Griffey and Geronimo score lower than their reputation. dWAR does have Cesar at 5.5 total for his career which is good for CF with fairly short career. It just has him with a bad year in 76, the worst of his career.
Edit: I just looked at advanced fielding. His assist drop was NOT due to fewer runners testing him. He had the second most runners in his career try to advance on him in 76. His kill % was 2.8-5.6% every year from 74 to 77 except 76 when it was 1.1% which was his lowest ever for a full season. His bad throwing year appears to have hurt his arm and overall rating.