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Originally posted by darkhorse
I'll take Lefty Grove over Koufax on Peak Value. On Career Value, they aren't in the same universe.
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Just curious on this one - I know the main difference we have on Koufax is that I think his peak value puts him barely in the Hall, while you think his career value keeps him out (barely, I assume).
Given the fact that there are about 200 players in the Hall, about 60-65 of them should logically be pitchers. Is your argument that Koufax is not in the top 60-65 pitchers, or that the Hall has too many guys, and the cutoff point should be somewhere higher (say, 40 or so)? To me, the second argument seems a much better rationale for keeping Koufax out, but it also means that there are probably many players who are in the Hall that you'd say shouldn't be there - not just the obvious, George Kelly, Tommy McCarthy, Rube Marquard mistakes, but many other borderline guys. I think it's a lot more difficult to make the argument that Koufax isn't in the top 60 or so pitchers.