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Hotwheelz · 02-07-2011, 12:37 AM

First off on the Felix Hernandez front. Yes, baseball is about wins but if you base your evaluation of a pitcher on their win count you are not giving that pitcher the credit they likely deserve. Wins are a team dependent stat. The Mariners provided Felix with very little run support and for him to win enough games for the majority to be impressed he would have to run a sub 1 ERA. Is that his fault? No. Until a pitcher has something to do with his run support we cannot allow wins to be a huge part of the evaluation process.

Take this for example. Pedro Martinez in his prime. One of the greatest of all time. One year he is playing for the present day New York Yankees who score a ton of runs. He wins 21 games. Lets say he was dealt to the Mariners instead, pitches just as well, but only wins 14 due to the lack of run support. What changed? Team performance. In each case the pitcher pitched just as well. So for a pitching award how should you evaluate that player? Should you discount his performance because of the team he pitched for? I think not.

Anyway, I know this argument will go on and on until the end of time. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in there.

As for the topic of the thread. I say let the computer decide and go with that. The decision is just too close for you to make. Roll the dice.

02-07-2011, 12:37 AM	#12
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	First off on the Felix Hernandez front. Yes, baseball is about wins but if you base your evaluation of a pitcher on their win count you are not giving that pitcher the credit they likely deserve. Wins are a team dependent stat. The Mariners provided Felix with very little run support and for him to win enough games for the majority to be impressed he would have to run a sub 1 ERA. Is that his fault? No. Until a pitcher has something to do with his run support we cannot allow wins to be a huge part of the evaluation process. Take this for example. Pedro Martinez in his prime. One of the greatest of all time. One year he is playing for the present day New York Yankees who score a ton of runs. He wins 21 games. Lets say he was dealt to the Mariners instead, pitches just as well, but only wins 14 due to the lack of run support. What changed? Team performance. In each case the pitcher pitched just as well. So for a pitching award how should you evaluate that player? Should you discount his performance because of the team he pitched for? I think not. Anyway, I know this argument will go on and on until the end of time. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in there. As for the topic of the thread. I say let the computer decide and go with that. The decision is just too close for you to make. Roll the dice.