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BBT · 05-19-2003, 12:25 PM

Couldn't find any other posts with this problem and its happened to me a couple of times.

The problem I have is that it looks like pitchers are only allowed to give up so many runs during a season before it rolls back to zero and starts over again. This tends to cause problems with the stats and the awards as these pitchers who obviously haven't pitched very well, tend to win the Cy Young. Here's my example:

Byron Houck - SP - 31 Years of Age

Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO Teams
1912 38 38 13 18 0 3.85 273.2 272 150 117 130 64 7 3 NYA
1913 27 25 7 12 0 5.20 168.0 186 116 97 109 61 2 0 NYA
1914 36 36 11 16 0 5.64 225.0 269 183 141 131 91 1 0 NYA
1915 38 38 13 15 0 4.54 267.1 290 160 135 149 75 6 0 NYA
1916 1 1 1 0 0 2.00 9.0 7 2 2 3 4 1 0 NYA
1917 34 33 11 23 0 4.67 271.2 318 185 141 102 79 28 1 NYA
1918 21 17 6 14 0 5.75 148.2 189 115 95 75 33 14 1 NYA
1919 27 23 9 14 1 4.63 198.1 213 135 102 120 70 17 1 NYA
1920 39 39 8 29 0 0.19 331.2 505 46 7 182 89 29 0 NYA
1921 38 38 17 20 0 5.11 329.2 425 224 187 146 90 33 1 NYA
1922 39 39 11 27 0 0.49 327.1 509 66 18 168 73 26 0 CHA BOS
Total 338 327 107 188 1 3.68 2550.1 3183 1382 1042 1315 729 164 7

Not sure how easy that is to read, but in 1920, Houck went 8-29 with a 0.19 ERA. He also gave up 505 hits and 182 walks. While this is theoretically possible, its very unlikely.

Then again in 1922, Houck went 11-27 with a 0.49 ERA. He gave up 509 hits and 168 walks. Again this is technically possible, but his game logs proved that he had given up somewhere in the range of 70-80 runs in his past 10 games.

Now I know that most pitchers would probably never see the light of day if they gave up as many runs as this guy has, however, the game obviously wants to keep putting him out there no matter how pitiful his performances are. So this creates a problem not only with the Record Books, but with the fact that the last 3 Cy Young winners in my American League have been:

1920 Byron Houck - 8-29 0.19 ERA
1921 Raymond Bressler - 14-26 0.45 ERA
1922 Byron Houck - 11-27 - 0.49 ERA

Since this is a simulation, and simulations are based on stats, anyway to fix this?

05-19-2003, 12:25 PM	#1
BBT Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 3	Rollover on Runs allowed for pitchers Couldn't find any other posts with this problem and its happened to me a couple of times. The problem I have is that it looks like pitchers are only allowed to give up so many runs during a season before it rolls back to zero and starts over again. This tends to cause problems with the stats and the awards as these pitchers who obviously haven't pitched very well, tend to win the Cy Young. Here's my example: Byron Houck - SP - 31 Years of Age Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO Teams 1912 38 38 13 18 0 3.85 273.2 272 150 117 130 64 7 3 NYA 1913 27 25 7 12 0 5.20 168.0 186 116 97 109 61 2 0 NYA 1914 36 36 11 16 0 5.64 225.0 269 183 141 131 91 1 0 NYA 1915 38 38 13 15 0 4.54 267.1 290 160 135 149 75 6 0 NYA 1916 1 1 1 0 0 2.00 9.0 7 2 2 3 4 1 0 NYA 1917 34 33 11 23 0 4.67 271.2 318 185 141 102 79 28 1 NYA 1918 21 17 6 14 0 5.75 148.2 189 115 95 75 33 14 1 NYA 1919 27 23 9 14 1 4.63 198.1 213 135 102 120 70 17 1 NYA 1920 39 39 8 29 0 0.19 331.2 505 46 7 182 89 29 0 NYA 1921 38 38 17 20 0 5.11 329.2 425 224 187 146 90 33 1 NYA 1922 39 39 11 27 0 0.49 327.1 509 66 18 168 73 26 0 CHA BOS Total 338 327 107 188 1 3.68 2550.1 3183 1382 1042 1315 729 164 7 Not sure how easy that is to read, but in 1920, Houck went 8-29 with a 0.19 ERA. He also gave up 505 hits and 182 walks. While this is theoretically possible, its very unlikely. Then again in 1922, Houck went 11-27 with a 0.49 ERA. He gave up 509 hits and 168 walks. Again this is technically possible, but his game logs proved that he had given up somewhere in the range of 70-80 runs in his past 10 games. Now I know that most pitchers would probably never see the light of day if they gave up as many runs as this guy has, however, the game obviously wants to keep putting him out there no matter how pitiful his performances are. So this creates a problem not only with the Record Books, but with the fact that the last 3 Cy Young winners in my American League have been: 1920 Byron Houck - 8-29 0.19 ERA 1921 Raymond Bressler - 14-26 0.45 ERA 1922 Byron Houck - 11-27 - 0.49 ERA Since this is a simulation, and simulations are based on stats, anyway to fix this? __________________ -BBT