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Originally Posted by StyxNCa
And this is the fictional part of the game. When you get extreme "you never know" results in a historical "replay" it becomes fantasy and the names of the players don't matter so why bother using the historical names?
You said yourself, we know what really happened and for a lot of replayers it's that knowledge that is used to base how good a game is at a replay. I know it's how I have always tested a game. I use the same season for every game I try to see just how accurate it is or how the game engine works.
The "you never know" mindset is not a mindset that is actually attempting a replay at all.
The only way to see what I'm talking about is for people to check on Action BB. I didn't say they have to buy it and play it, though it would certainly clarify what my idea of a replay is, but just to read up on it.
I do believe that what some people are calling "historical replay" compared to what others such as me are calling "historical replay" is where the confusion in this entire replay discussion is coming from.
It's just the definition of "historical replay" which seems to be the crux of the issue here.
Saying OOTP is a "what if" or an "anything can happen" type of game is not my definition of a "replay" type of game. To me those are the definitions of a "fantasy" game.
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I have never said OOTP is an accurate replay game ala Strat, Lance Haffner Baseball, two games I have played nor Diamond Mind, Action two games I've never played. It is only a game that lets you "replay" any season from baseball history that you want to play.
In my youth the best one could do was a game like Strat, there were no other alternatives. IE no career type games to play, at least that I know of.
I played a ton of Strat seasons and almost every one had players that didn't perform as expected and this was only playing a season with one team. I didn't have to scour an entire MLB season to find examples.
It's been a little over 40 years since my first Strat games were played. I can still see my '72 Oakland A's season. Joe Rudi was the only A's player to hit over .300. He hit .305, a big deal back in that era. Played the '72 season three times over the summer his highest BA for me was .275.
Using the 1980 Strat set I played a season with the Orioles. Ken Singleton IRL hit .304 with 24 hrs. At the all star game he had ~4-5 hrs for me. IIRC he ended up with 12 or 13. So he did get up to a closer to realistic pace after the break.
Of course played a '80 season with the Royals and George Brett with his .390 average. He never came close to that.
I was disappointed with all of those seasons in Strat because those guys were supposed to perform better. With OOTP I wouldn't blink an eye because the game is simulating real life.
For me the thing that makes OOTP great, as I've stated many times, is the variability aka the "you never know". How many players using OOTP's 2010 roster set would be complaining if Aramis Ramirez was performing for them the way he is performing for the Cubs IRL this year? These things happen every year to somebody and OOTP does a great job of producing this type of thing.
FWIW I think you've done the right thing playing Action, it gives you what you want. Others that want that should follow your lead IMHO. Can't for the life of me see any fun in playing a game like that in this day and age when a "real life type" simulation is available, but to each his own. If it's what you like more power to you, nothing wrong with that.
Just want to be crystal clear though that I have never said OOTP was an accurate replay game in the way Action, DM etc are. Anyone that I have ever told about OOTP has been told exactly what it is, a baseball simulation that takes a players skills and uses them to determine outcome like RL. You can play with real players and get realistic stats within real life probabilities but if you want Brett to hit .390 in 1980 or Rudi to hit .305 in 1972 within a 10-15 points(you pick the numbers if these are wrong) every time then OOTP is not the historical\real player game for you. Stick to the games that are built to produce intended stats instead of a game that is not.
There is no misunderstanding between us on what OOTP is\does compared to DM, Action. I think you've misunderstood me thinking I have said OOTP is like Action when I haven't.
One thing I'd be interested in seeing if you are ever sitting around looking for something to do. Have Action quick sim the '72 season and post Joe Rudi's stats. Or is there a demo available where I could do this?