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Cooperstown · 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM

CPB,

Thank you for your input, especially qualifying your remarks

I went back and looked at all your cited examples, cross referenced them (including on line resources which I did not use much in the roster creation) and did find some misses, some inconsistencies and some disagreements.

First off, I increased the statisical numbers for each player you listed, although some not as much as others. In relation to the other players at the same position I agreed with almost every player you mentioned

I noticed that some split numbers effected the overall ratings on several players, once this was adjusted, the overall rating were much more in line.

I would encourage you to relay any other players you think deserve a better slot or ones that may need to be reduced. I welcome it. Researching the Negro Leagues I concur that conjecture and opinion are where players are judged, as statistics while incomplete also are hardly credible when trying to understand what levels of competition are involved.

You can imagine, going through over 800 players from "The Biographic History of The Negro Leagues and assigning statistics from "The Negro Leagues Book" as well it is certainly a shot in the dark. LOL a 90/100 defensive rating based on the description "Great range, best shortstop of his era.

Although I know Rube Foster was a very good pitcher, he is not portrayed nearly as much for his pitching than he was for his management and work in the creation of the "Modern" Negro Leagues. I still bumped him up as he is due, once going 53-1, albeit against somewhat unknown competetion

As for the roster make up, "Bud Fowler (not sure why he's on the same team as Home Run Grant, since they both were star 2nd baseman)", I went with keeping players on the teams they were linked to first, then back filled the other as needed.

Dang

John Henry "Pop" Lloyd, yeah, he's like the black Ty Cobb, irony lol. Cobb being the premier White Supremicist of his time, too harsh? He is reflected much better now, thank you!

(who is Big Bill on CAG?) Willie Foster, Rube's half-brother, changed his name, nickname, and updated stats, his biographic info was much less flatering than his on-line (HOF) he looks to be a debatable player, but HOF qualifies him as upper tier. Stories say he used to be a long reliever for Satchel Paige, Paige would start many more games for the "draw" and Foster would come in by the second or third inning.

Jose Munoz only played like 4 seasons at the end of his career in the Negro Leagues, but he was good, and obviosly great in Cuba. He has been updated.

Dobie Moore was slighted in most areas due to exactly what you stated, based on his stats though, he was updated accordingly.

I really LOVE the Negro Leagues, it is a incredible stroy, sad for the history of our nation, but I wanted people to get the enjoyement I have had as a baseball fan.

So, I would challenge you to help me bring that to the entire community. I will look at and rework the rosters from an "overall" perspective looking at players in relation to each other, rather than a strictly statistical/biographical view. I admit that there is obviosly areas to be improved, I had hoped, not counting on feedback, while I started the project. But, I will take it moving forward, it is a lot easier to move stuff around now that it is completed

It sure would be nice for someone that cares about the Negro Leagues and OOTP to be able to use this roster

Thanks again,

Coop

Anyone else? Step up if you can, CPB has done a great job already. LOL only 2 hours of work on thiis today

07-30-2009, 02:29 PM	#17
Cooperstown Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Spokane, Washington Posts: 225	First of all.... CPB, Thank you for your input, especially qualifying your remarks I went back and looked at all your cited examples, cross referenced them (including on line resources which I did not use much in the roster creation) and did find some misses, some inconsistencies and some disagreements. First off, I increased the statisical numbers for each player you listed, although some not as much as others. In relation to the other players at the same position I agreed with almost every player you mentioned I noticed that some split numbers effected the overall ratings on several players, once this was adjusted, the overall rating were much more in line. I would encourage you to relay any other players you think deserve a better slot or ones that may need to be reduced. I welcome it. Researching the Negro Leagues I concur that conjecture and opinion are where players are judged, as statistics while incomplete also are hardly credible when trying to understand what levels of competition are involved. You can imagine, going through over 800 players from "The Biographic History of The Negro Leagues and assigning statistics from "The Negro Leagues Book" as well it is certainly a shot in the dark. LOL a 90/100 defensive rating based on the description "Great range, best shortstop of his era. Although I know Rube Foster was a very good pitcher, he is not portrayed nearly as much for his pitching than he was for his management and work in the creation of the "Modern" Negro Leagues. I still bumped him up as he is due, once going 53-1, albeit against somewhat unknown competetion As for the roster make up, "Bud Fowler (not sure why he's on the same team as Home Run Grant, since they both were star 2nd baseman)", I went with keeping players on the teams they were linked to first, then back filled the other as needed. Dang John Henry "Pop" Lloyd, yeah, he's like the black Ty Cobb, irony lol. Cobb being the premier White Supremicist of his time, too harsh? He is reflected much better now, thank you! (who is Big Bill on CAG?) Willie Foster, Rube's half-brother, changed his name, nickname, and updated stats, his biographic info was much less flatering than his on-line (HOF) he looks to be a debatable player, but HOF qualifies him as upper tier. Stories say he used to be a long reliever for Satchel Paige, Paige would start many more games for the "draw" and Foster would come in by the second or third inning. Jose Munoz only played like 4 seasons at the end of his career in the Negro Leagues, but he was good, and obviosly great in Cuba. He has been updated. Dobie Moore was slighted in most areas due to exactly what you stated, based on his stats though, he was updated accordingly. I really LOVE the Negro Leagues, it is a incredible stroy, sad for the history of our nation, but I wanted people to get the enjoyement I have had as a baseball fan. So, I would challenge you to help me bring that to the entire community. I will look at and rework the rosters from an "overall" perspective looking at players in relation to each other, rather than a strictly statistical/biographical view. I admit that there is obviosly areas to be improved, I had hoped, not counting on feedback, while I started the project. But, I will take it moving forward, it is a lot easier to move stuff around now that it is completed It sure would be nice for someone that cares about the Negro Leagues and OOTP to be able to use this roster Thanks again, Coop Anyone else? Step up if you can, CPB has done a great job already. LOL only 2 hours of work on thiis today Last edited by Cooperstown; 07-30-2009 at 02:33 PM.