[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by knockahoma

I can't believe someone is up.

No, I wasn't clear. The article I read was talking simply about hits versus innings pitched. A baseball GM, or manager, or coach was talking about it. Even that was considered innovative at the time-- at least by that guy.

I was just trying to show by that "innovation" how traditionalists had paid far more attention to HRs, BBs, K's when judging pitchers before something like BABIP came along.

So, BABIP was developed (presumeably) as a useful tool in evaluating pitchers by stat guys, then Voros came along and said, basically, this stat isn't that useful. It would be better to pay more attention to HRs, BBs, K's when judging a pitcher.

And many in the traditional pews nodded their heads and said, " Amen!"

I guess I just don't remember the traditional guys in baseball ever giving more concern over balls in play than they did the big three.

But, now I am doubting my memory. I thought in one of the BABIP threads, someone had written that BABIP came out of rotisserie ball, not sabermetrics. I've never discussed WHIP on this site. What's the final answer?

I don't remember BABIP even existing before Voros. BABIP has never had anything to do with Roto.