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Old 06-19-2009, 05:38 PM   #70
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Originally Posted by knockahoma View Post
Meanwhile, Andy Messersmith had a 2.86 ERA.

That's too much emphasis on defense, IMO. It doesn't reflect what most often happens in real life. Andy's ERA went to 3.00 his first season in Atlanta and his BABIP matched what it had been just two years earlier in LA when he won 20 games (.257).

In other words, I don't believe even the worst major league defense by itself (BABIP) would turn an ace like Messersmith into one of the worst pitchers in the NL.

That's my concern with OOTP's modeling.
Seems to me you're forgetting that OOTP cannot under any circumstances mimic human effort. It is well known that good pitchers seem to elevate the play of the entire team. That will affect BABIP. Andy Messersmith was a hero to all players at the time and maybe 8 guys playing their asses off, even on a bad team, for their hero had an effect on his BABIP. OOTP cannot be expected to account for this or any other individual case.
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