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lynchjm24 · 06-14-2009, 11:26 AM

My problem isn't with the quality or number of players. My problem is that I can easily tell by using OSA compared with my scout who the actual prospects are and who the busts are.

It's little fun to do the draft knowing that the more my scout likes a player, the more likely it is he is wrong. I posted this in another thread showing how bad scouting is implemented from a gaming standpoint with respect to the draft. I simmed to the draft and walked through the info available to me and how easy it is to make conclusions about the players, then I verified them in the editor.

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I'm Philadelphia, I pick 7th.

My scout is maxed out rating amateurs and the budget is maxed out to scout them.

Potentials are contact-power-eye hitters stuff-movement-control pitchers

My scout thinks the 8 best non MR players are
Mangan CF 14-13-14
Miller SP 12-13-11
Rigney SP 15-16-17
Martinez CF 14-12-11
Ford SP 9-15-13
Luna C 10-16-9
Osborn C 12-12-15
Gonzalez LF 11-12-11

OSA on these players (I haven't looked but already have a good idea of who my scout is HIGHLY overrating)
Mangan CF 12-8-8
Miller SP 5-7-6
Rigney SP 9-13-14
Martinez CF 7-6-6
Ford SP 8-17-14
Luna C 9-13-7
Osborn C 7-6-6
Gonzalez LF 11-13-11

I have not looked in the editor yet, but I'm guessing best player available when I pick according to my scout is the SP Miller and he's probably actually terrible. My guess is that Rigney is the best player in the draft. I'll check their actuals as we go.

Let's see:
1. St. Louis picks Rigney P true potentials 14-16-17
2. Boston picks Ford P 10-16-15

I have little doubt that my scout is 100% wrong about Miller

3. New Yorks picks Magnan 14-13-13
4. Detroit picks Luna 10-17-9

I also have little doubt that Osborn stinks and will be available at 7.

5. Cleveland goes off my board and takes Young OF 10-16-11 my scout has him at 9-10-8 OSA 13-16-12

I think that LF Gonzalez is best player left on board based on who has been taken and the ratings I'm getting from OSA/Scout

6. Chicago takes Gonzalez 11-12-11

I'm up. My scout tells me best two players on the board are
Miller P 12-13-11 with 20 Endurance
Martinez CF 14-11-13

Scouting Director Suggestion is Martinez.

OSAs top players are
SP Morgan 9-11-9
CF Ortiz 9-11-10 w 18 speed and 22 stealing

My scout has Ortiz at 6-8-8 and Morgan at 9-9-8

My guess is that Morgan is the best prospect of the 4 and that Miller is an absolute bust, as is my scouts 3rd choice the C Osborn.

So if I 'play' the game and make believe that I'm a real GM can't see that these are overdrafts, I pick Martinez. If I try and actually build the best team I draft Morgan.

I took Martinez. Let's see what their ratings are:
Martinez is 10-8-10. A little better then I anticipated.
The SP Miller is 8-10-7.
C Osborn is horrible 8-8-9

So the three players that my scout liked were all terrible overdrafts. Using OSA I was able to pick the least busted of the three.

OSA liked Morgan.. he's a 9-10-9
and Ortiz 9-11-10

That leaves you with 2 choices doing a draft with scouting on.

1. Continually pick bad players by listening to your scout
2. Pretty much ignore your scout

Neither of those is fun, and that's a poor design - there is no way around it.

I knew that Miller and Osborn were overrated just by checking their OSA ratings. How is that anything like the real life?

Got to second round and Miller is still available. Yeah, this is a lot of fun. My scout thinks there is a future all-star being ignored by every other team in the league. I wonder if he is right? He also has a 9-9-13 starter left Parker, I know he's a bust too. He's actually a 7-6-7. I'm shocked.

My highly paid highly rated scout likes
1. Miller 12-13-11
2. Parker 9-9-13

Yet I know the best SP left on the board is Morgan who is OSA's top starter left.

So poorly implemented.

06-14-2009, 11:26 AM	#34
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	My problem isn't with the quality or number of players. My problem is that I can easily tell by using OSA compared with my scout who the actual prospects are and who the busts are. It's little fun to do the draft knowing that the more my scout likes a player, the more likely it is he is wrong. I posted this in another thread showing how bad scouting is implemented from a gaming standpoint with respect to the draft. I simmed to the draft and walked through the info available to me and how easy it is to make conclusions about the players, then I verified them in the editor. ------- I'm Philadelphia, I pick 7th. My scout is maxed out rating amateurs and the budget is maxed out to scout them. Potentials are contact-power-eye hitters stuff-movement-control pitchers My scout thinks the 8 best non MR players are Mangan CF 14-13-14 Miller SP 12-13-11 Rigney SP 15-16-17 Martinez CF 14-12-11 Ford SP 9-15-13 Luna C 10-16-9 Osborn C 12-12-15 Gonzalez LF 11-12-11 OSA on these players (I haven't looked but already have a good idea of who my scout is HIGHLY overrating) Mangan CF 12-8-8 Miller SP 5-7-6 Rigney SP 9-13-14 Martinez CF 7-6-6 Ford SP 8-17-14 Luna C 9-13-7 Osborn C 7-6-6 Gonzalez LF 11-13-11 I have not looked in the editor yet, but I'm guessing best player available when I pick according to my scout is the SP Miller and he's probably actually terrible. My guess is that Rigney is the best player in the draft. I'll check their actuals as we go. Let's see: 1. St. Louis picks Rigney P true potentials 14-16-17 2. Boston picks Ford P 10-16-15 I have little doubt that my scout is 100% wrong about Miller 3. New Yorks picks Magnan 14-13-13 4. Detroit picks Luna 10-17-9 I also have little doubt that Osborn stinks and will be available at 7. 5. Cleveland goes off my board and takes Young OF 10-16-11 my scout has him at 9-10-8 OSA 13-16-12 I think that LF Gonzalez is best player left on board based on who has been taken and the ratings I'm getting from OSA/Scout 6. Chicago takes Gonzalez 11-12-11 I'm up. My scout tells me best two players on the board are Miller P 12-13-11 with 20 Endurance Martinez CF 14-11-13 Scouting Director Suggestion is Martinez. OSAs top players are SP Morgan 9-11-9 CF Ortiz 9-11-10 w 18 speed and 22 stealing My scout has Ortiz at 6-8-8 and Morgan at 9-9-8 My guess is that Morgan is the best prospect of the 4 and that Miller is an absolute bust, as is my scouts 3rd choice the C Osborn. So if I 'play' the game and make believe that I'm a real GM can't see that these are overdrafts, I pick Martinez. If I try and actually build the best team I draft Morgan. I took Martinez. Let's see what their ratings are: Martinez is 10-8-10. A little better then I anticipated. The SP Miller is 8-10-7. C Osborn is horrible 8-8-9 So the three players that my scout liked were all terrible overdrafts. Using OSA I was able to pick the least busted of the three. OSA liked Morgan.. he's a 9-10-9 and Ortiz 9-11-10 That leaves you with 2 choices doing a draft with scouting on. 1. Continually pick bad players by listening to your scout 2. Pretty much ignore your scout Neither of those is fun, and that's a poor design - there is no way around it. I knew that Miller and Osborn were overrated just by checking their OSA ratings. How is that anything like the real life? Got to second round and Miller is still available. Yeah, this is a lot of fun. My scout thinks there is a future all-star being ignored by every other team in the league. I wonder if he is right? He also has a 9-9-13 starter left Parker, I know he's a bust too. He's actually a 7-6-7. I'm shocked. My highly paid highly rated scout likes 1. Miller 12-13-11 2. Parker 9-9-13 Yet I know the best SP left on the board is Morgan who is OSA's top starter left. So poorly implemented.