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SteveP · 05-24-2009, 06:08 PM

There's a lot going on in this thread, but I'll try my own tack on all of this:

1. If you are playing the MLB Quickstart game (the one that allows you to play the 2008 season) you cannot judge what you see based on stats from the actual 2008 season. That Quickstart was created prior to the start of the 2008 season. In essence you are getting 2007 players organized into teams as they were at the start of the 2008 season, playing the 2008 schedule. This is the way it has always been with games using actual player stats to play an upcoming season. I think it unlikely that this will be substantially different for OOTP10 for playing the 2009 season.

2. You can't draw definitive conclusions by looking at a specific player's ratings in isolation. The game uses the ratings in a relativistic way. The game is designed to produce reasonable league wide results (total hits, HRs, SBs, etc.) and, in a way involving probability, "distributes" those results among players based on how their ratings relate to the ratings of everyone else in the league. The only way you can really judge what's going on is by analyzing stats at the end of the season -- and then the only valid comparison would be the 2007 stats.

3. The game does not use actual minor league stats to generate any ratings because there are no minor league stats in the Lahman DB. A lot of stuff has been worked in (as alluded to in this thread) by people to try to fill that gap, but it's something you would have to investigate pretty carefully. I am under the impression that the comparable Quickstart game that ships with OOTP10 may have some significant improvements in this area, but I have no reason to believe that the basic fact will change: minor league stats won't be built into the game for producing ratings for minor leaguers.

4. OOTP has basically punting on bunt-for-hit (to mix sports metphors

). It's not worth getting worked up about. I really doubt that this will be any different in OOTP10 (there are some workarounds, but they are difficult and only marginally satisfactory -- won't get into that here).

5. The idea that OOTP is really about playing fictional is certainly news to me.

I guess that ignorance is bliss.

05-24-2009, 06:08 PM	#10
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	There's a lot going on in this thread, but I'll try my own tack on all of this: 1. If you are playing the MLB Quickstart game (the one that allows you to play the 2008 season) you cannot judge what you see based on stats from the actual 2008 season. That Quickstart was created prior to the start of the 2008 season. In essence you are getting 2007 players organized into teams as they were at the start of the 2008 season, playing the 2008 schedule. This is the way it has always been with games using actual player stats to play an upcoming season. I think it unlikely that this will be substantially different for OOTP10 for playing the 2009 season. 2. You can't draw definitive conclusions by looking at a specific player's ratings in isolation. The game uses the ratings in a relativistic way. The game is designed to produce reasonable league wide results (total hits, HRs, SBs, etc.) and, in a way involving probability, "distributes" those results among players based on how their ratings relate to the ratings of everyone else in the league. The only way you can really judge what's going on is by analyzing stats at the end of the season -- and then the only valid comparison would be the 2007 stats. 3. The game does not use actual minor league stats to generate any ratings because there are no minor league stats in the Lahman DB. A lot of stuff has been worked in (as alluded to in this thread) by people to try to fill that gap, but it's something you would have to investigate pretty carefully. I am under the impression that the comparable Quickstart game that ships with OOTP10 may have some significant improvements in this area, but I have no reason to believe that the basic fact will change: minor league stats won't be built into the game for producing ratings for minor leaguers. 4. OOTP has basically punting on bunt-for-hit (to mix sports metphors ). It's not worth getting worked up about. I really doubt that this will be any different in OOTP10 (there are some workarounds, but they are difficult and only marginally satisfactory -- won't get into that here). 5. The idea that OOTP is really about playing fictional is certainly news to me. I guess that ignorance is bliss.