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Originally Posted by injury log
This simply isn't true. Brian Anderson (the pitcher, not the outfielder) and Matt Mantei both suffered CEIs in Spring Training last year - both retired the day after suffering a serious arm injury. Juan Encarnacion's injury was obviously career ending when it happened. There are others. The frequency of CEIs is clearly too high in OOTP right now, but they shouldn't be eliminated altogether.
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First of all, you are probably right...there are a few actual CEIs, but they are way too freequent in ootp.
But, more importantly, all other injuries are very "predictable", ie, guy gets injured; game says he is "out for 3-4 weeks"; in 4 weeks he comes back like nothing happened. The game misses the "fog of uncertainty" surrounding most semi-serious injuries...will he come back...how will his ability be affected. IRL there are dozens of guys every year who break/tear/hurt something; sit for 6-16 mos; come back and hit .118 over parts of 3 seasons; and are gone. I guess they had CEIs, but they played out over 3-4 years. The game is just "Bam; gone!"
I only checked one of the examples that you gave, Matt Mantei...and he proves my point.
From 1995-2000, he was a ok MR and Cl; really only 1 good year (32 svs). Then he starts, in 2000, to be "plagued by arm problems". His 2001 season "ended early w/ arm problems" and he had TJ surgery. In 2002, he "worked hard to regain his old form" (2-2, 4.76). He missed a month in 2003, but had a pretty good year (29 Svs). But then he missed most of 2004 w/ bone spurs (0-3, 11.46) and had more surgery. Now signed by the Red Sox for 2005, he pitched only 26 innings (6.49) and goes on DL for rest of year. He goes to Detroit's Spring Trng camp "to try a comeback, but suffers more arm troubles" and leaves camp. (Maybe there was some specific injury here, but I find no reference to it...just "arm troubles"). Interestingly, he signed a minor lg contract with Detroit in 2008 (!), however "after experiencing arm discomfort a few games into spring trng he was released and retired".
I don't know where the CEI was in this very familiar saga. What I see is a guy who hurt his arm in 2001 and then fought for 7 years to hang on "in the show"; had a couple ok years and a lot of time on the DL as he fought through it. This is what ootp doesn't model. Either he would have a CEI in 2001 and "Bam; gone": - or he would spend 6 mos on the DL and be fine