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Originally Posted by Jestre
My idea of value is actual production no matter what outside effects helped or hindered that production. You simply cannot separate park effects, team lineup strength, city effect etc from actual production. If VORP is all that it is cracked up to be then Edgar Renteria and J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo would have thrived in Boston...but they didnt because players do not play in a vacuum and never will. When you try to remove all outside influences from a players numbers then you have an experimental, theoretical rating especially when all the numbers you are using to formulate your VORP rating were not produced in a vacuum.
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The only problem with production regardless of outside effect is that if you play for Colorado, you have a headstart when it comes to putting up monster numbers. But that doesn't make you a good player. VORP is good in that it can give you the value of a player compared to other players. It's like an "overall" rating in OOTP. I don't think anyone here is saying that it's the only thing to look at when evaluating a player. But it does give you a quick idea of whether a player is adding value to the team or not.
Let's say you see a player that is hitting .240 but has driven in 100 RBI. Another player has only driven in 70 RBI but is hitting .260. By looking at VORP, you might realize that acquiring the 2nd player and putting him in the lineup in place of the 1st player will allow your team to score even more runs. Sure the first player has driven in 100 runs, but maybe there are many players available out there
that would have driven in even more.