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Originally Posted by andymac
They produced the hits, but the RBI's are a production of more than just that player. If player A can do the exact same thing as player B but you are going to consider player A more valuable because there were people on base when he did it and there weren't when player B did it then IMO you are missing something. To everyone their own though.
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I'm on the sabr side of stuff, but this doesn't pass the common sense test. In fact, this is a shortcoming of a lot of the new metrics. I don't believe this was the goal of any of the designers.
Let's take a look at two players in an imaginary game:
Player A:
1st AB, bases loaded: K
2nd AB, bases empty: Home Run
Player B:
1st AB, bases loaded: Home Run
2nd AB, bases empty: K
Who's more valuable to his team this game, this series, this season? It's an underlying foundation of VORP to ignore situations because it's out of the player's control, but it also ignores wasted opportunities.
If it's the goal of a batter to not get out and if it's the goal of the offense of a team to score runs, then player B is more valuable to his team even if VORP is equal.