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Originally Posted by The Professor
Yeah. He was super-extremely good. IMO, top three all-time (Wilhelm and Mariano).
Raines is a ridiculous exclusion, as remains Blyleven. But Gossage is a worthy Hall of Famer.
I've got a soft spot for Trammell and might be stupid and give Murphy a throw-away "great guy, far borderline candidate" vote, but my core ballot would have been Goose, Rock and The Dutchman.
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I saw him pitch in the mid to late 70's and situations you'd never see Gagne or Eck or Hoffman dream of pitching in. I recall once on Monday Night Baseball (a national event in those days) seeing him with Pittsburgh come into the 7th inning with bases loaded and nobody out strike out the side and pitch a perfect three innings to preserve the win. Now that's a save, and he did that kind of thing routinely. Look up his numbers for the 77 season. His save total seems slim compared to today's watered down numbers, but look at the innings, hits allowed and strikeouts. He was silly good when he was in his prime.
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