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Old 12-15-2007, 05:07 PM   #71
NomarHits400
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Thanks for the reply Raidergoo- but I am going to disagree with your assertion that "most" players implode on the "other side of 30". Absolutely many may decline- but by implode, I am inferring (as I was also implying in my post) that these guys aren't even major league caliber any longer.

Aside from that- any aging algorithm that causes several gold glove caliber fielders to become so poor in the field by the time that they are 30-32 they are relegated to the bench or DH duty is suspect.

I would like to add that I don't see this type of behavior at all- or at least outside the norm- using default players- or even 2nd generation players in Erich's set. Just in today's MLB players.

Just try a 5 year sim and look at the carnage to players in the 28-33 year range- and pay special attention to the fielding ratings. I know there is a lot of attrition in baseball- and I understand that a lot of guys WILL flame out- but this extreme- and I think if you look closely you will agree.
I thought some visuals to show my point regarding this might be best. If those best suited to determine if this what they intended don't agree- I'll let it drop.

First, some context: These are just two examples from Erich's set, nothing has been changed except that ratings are shown here on a 1-100 scale to make the problem a little easier to see. There are dozens of others. In fact, it is an exception to find a guy in his late twenties who hasn't suffered a similar fate as these two guys. Andruw Jones and Jimmy Rollins. Both in their late 20's and considered elite fielders at their positions- as they were so rated in 2007. Both are in their late twenties in 2007. I am showing here both players (scouts off) in 2007, 2008, then finally in 2010 (when the AI will no longer play them on a daily basis). These are just their fielding ratings- their hitting attributes have taken quite a hit too, though as I said earlier- that can be edited successfully with the aging modifiers.

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