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Originally Posted by BruceM
The best coach ever? I don't recall Brodeur ever playing for Scotty Bowman or Toe Blake. In fact Brodeur played for a few different coaches. Each of his three cups came under a different coach.
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Of course not, he played for Jacques Lemaire!
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Originally Posted by BruceM
The best defensive system ever? That's debatable (however, irrelevent to this discussion). Isn't having a great defensive system part of having a winning hockey team? If Luongo is so good, how come he never led Florida to the play-offs? Guess he can't do it by himself either. There's very few goalies that "got the job done" by themself.
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No goalie can get the job done by himself. Not Luongo, not Brodeur, not Roy, not Sawchuk, not Plante, not Hasek. I think you missed my point completely - my point was that playing the trap with a really solid defensive system took a lot of stress off of Brodeur, who saw much less action, and much less quality action in front of him than Luongo did in Florida. And, it also helps his statistics - Brodeur's strong defense allowed less goals than Luongo's did in Florida, which makes Brodeur have a lower GAA than Luongo. But, still, Luongo has in general better save percentages than Brodeur, despite seeing more quality shots. In fact, ever since Luongo started playing with the Panthers, only once (last year) did Brodeur have a higher save percentage - by 0.001. Save % is the best of common statistics to judge a goalie's worth, and Luongo owns Brodeur in that department, despite seeing generally harder shots than Brodeur.
The trap is the most effective defensive system ever created, I'm pretty sure. Teams still use it sometimes despite rules existing that targeted that particular strategy.
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Originally Posted by BruceM
Taking the best team on earth to the gold medal is not hard? Hmmm, what happened in 98 at Nagano? We supposedly had the best team, but couldn't even get bronze. Winning the Gold is hard.
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So what now, the best team in the world's supposed to win EVERY time? It's a tournament, anything can happen. You just have to win games at the right time. My point is, put Luongo in the nets, he probably could've won. Even Jocelyn Thibault probably could've won it
. My point is that no goalie in 2002 had the chance to goal for the best team in the world other than Brodeur - so there's no point to compare him to.
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Originally Posted by BruceM
Luongo finally gets on a team that puts some defense in front of him and he wins 47 games. Brodeur won 48 with a much lesser defense than he had in front of him in the late 90's/early 2000's and at the age of 35.
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Guh, wins. Wins are not a very useful stat, you should know better
. Luongo played two games less than Brodeur (who did have a career year last year, I'll admit - but he only has one other comparable one in all his career. Luongo is one of the top two goalies in the NHL year in and year out, while Brodeur's a top 5 goalie year in and year out.
By the way, if you really want to compare their defenses last year, might as well be honest here : Ohlund/Mitchell/Salo/Fitzpatrick/Bieksa/Krajicek doesn't really look better than Rafalski/Lukowich/White/Martin/Oduya/Greene. I'd probably take the second bunch, actually. With a slightly better defense and a career year, Brodeur was as good as Luongo, who was having a good but not exceptional year by his standard.