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Originally Posted by DougWyatt
This theory really does insinuate that the only effect a pitcher has over a game is walks.
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No. It doesn't. But every time it gets discussed here, somebody says something like this.
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Originally Posted by DougWyatt
What I mean is .. there is NO pitch, ever, NO pitch type, NO pitch location, NO pitch speed -- that is in the strike zone, and completely UNHITTABLE by a major league hitter. Given that, the pitcher doesn't even really control K's (or HRs).
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Saying that no pitch is totally and completely unhittable is not the same as saying that the pitcher has no control over whether the ball is hit. I mean, crap, why would you even say that? Saying a hitter has some control over the outcome of an at-bat isn't the same as saying the pitcher has no control over that same outcome.
Look, the whole DIPS discussion has moved past the stage of anyone important saying that pitchers have absolutely no control over BABIP. But the evidence it pretty clear that the pitcher's effect on it is dwarfed by that of the batter and the players playing defense. Can you at least admit that those two things would have an impact on BABIP without trying to make it out that anyone is saying everything is just like Cadaco All-Star Baseball, with no input at all from pitchers?