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BigCity · 12-11-2006, 10:50 AM

I think the "overall" issue is simple - but the variations requested is what makes the game "complex".

First, I have to agree with the opinion that OOTP isn't for everyone. Over the past 6 years I've seen folks drop off using the game as it has gotten more complex. I, myself, use BOTH 6.5 and 2006 now depending on what kind of league I want to play.

OOTP, in it's present form, and where it is going per Markus' ultimate plan, is to create the "GM environment". Being a GM is significantly different that being a field manager. I believe Markus wants the game's priority to be the GM world, with the other scenarios being secondary in nature.
Second, Options are GOOD - but, they are the variables that (1) cause complexity, and (2) cause problems. Each option has to be coded to insure that EVERYTHING in the game that MIGHT be effected is handled correctly. Sometimes this is easy, other times you don't see the problem until it hits the street. Because of this, caution has to be the keyword when adding options.

Third. I agree 110% that the basic, underlying MODEL has to run correctly - and HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE on Markus' list to fix. If the game could be brought to the point that everything WORKED correctly, I think folks would be more acceptable of new options.

Lastly, we need to all understand that the game will NEVER be EXACTLY what we want. Each of us has a different view of what the game should be. Some of us hate what's happened to 2006 (and some have gone back to 6.5) and others LOVE what's happened. I can't agree more with the statement made that if Markus tries TOO hard to please everyone, he pleases no one. At some point, Markus has to decide how HE wants the game to work, and satisfy himself first.

12-11-2006, 10:50 AM	#83
BigCity All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Shore, Great Lakes Posts: 1,386	I think the "overall" issue is simple - but the variations requested is what makes the game "complex". First, I have to agree with the opinion that OOTP isn't for everyone. Over the past 6 years I've seen folks drop off using the game as it has gotten more complex. I, myself, use BOTH 6.5 and 2006 now depending on what kind of league I want to play. OOTP, in it's present form, and where it is going per Markus' ultimate plan, is to create the "GM environment". Being a GM is significantly different that being a field manager. I believe Markus wants the game's priority to be the GM world, with the other scenarios being secondary in nature. Second, Options are GOOD - but, they are the variables that (1) cause complexity, and (2) cause problems. Each option has to be coded to insure that EVERYTHING in the game that MIGHT be effected is handled correctly. Sometimes this is easy, other times you don't see the problem until it hits the street. Because of this, caution has to be the keyword when adding options. Third. I agree 110% that the basic, underlying MODEL has to run correctly - and HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE on Markus' list to fix. If the game could be brought to the point that everything WORKED correctly, I think folks would be more acceptable of new options. Lastly, we need to all understand that the game will NEVER be EXACTLY what we want. Each of us has a different view of what the game should be. Some of us hate what's happened to 2006 (and some have gone back to 6.5) and others LOVE what's happened. I can't agree more with the statement made that if Markus tries TOO hard to please everyone, he pleases no one. At some point, Markus has to decide how HE wants the game to work, and satisfy himself first.