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Old 08-29-2006, 03:01 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Zeyes
One more thing...I'm a bit distressed to find that "major leagues" is defined differently here than in the rest of the game. (My indy setup shows the same "everyone's getting deleted" behaviour as yours.) Everywhere else in OOTP, a "major" league is one that isn't affiliated to another league, even if its designation isn't "ML". I suppose I can see the logic of deleting indy minor league players in a universe that has major leagues for which the indies just serve as feeders, but what if it doesn't? I'm also wondering whether international leagues are treated as equivalent to majors here, or not...
My assumptions were that:

1) This problem was related to the League Level setting in league setup, and that
2) MLB and International Leagues are the "Majors" that if a player does not make, he is doomed to oblivion, and that
3) My setting the Independent Leagues to AA League Level doomed those poor devils (at least the ones not lucky enough to become MLB FA).

Making these assumptions, I had the option to allow "Trades with other Major Leagues" in mind as defining the "Majors" and I forgot about the "non-affiliated" major league definition. I'm pretty sure that either way, "International Level" synonymous with "Majors" or International Leagues being non-affiliated with any other league, our International Leagues are fine. Then again I didn't look that closely at them; my current focus is the minors and independents. I will examine international awards and accomplishments tonight to see if they are affected as well.

Edit - I tested a 15-year game with just the standard Korean Baseball Organization and Puerto Rican Winter Leagues, plus two fictional leagues (FBL and FBL2) of eight teams each. The only difference between FBL and FBL2 was that FBL was set for Major League Level and FBL2 was set for AA League Level.

Result: Players who played out their entire careers in the KBO were not deleted, based on awards and accomplishments that correctly listed the retired players that achieved them. Players who played *only* in the PWL were deleted, however. Compare the errors on "PWL Award Winners" with "KOR Award Winners."

Result: Players who played out their entire careers in the FBL, or even just a year in the FBL, were preserved after they retired.

Result: Players who played out their entire careers *only* in the FBL2 were deleted after they retired, as evidenced by award and accomplishment errors. Compare "20-Game Winners" below and see that this occurred in the FBL2, not the FBL.

Conclusion: "Majors" as in "Delete those who never reached Majors" refers not only to MLB but also to the standard international summer (not winter) leagues that come with the game. In addition, a fictional league that is designated "Major League Level" will also be exempt from this problem. Only minor leagues and fictional leagues (like mine, alas) that are designated at a minor league level upon creation are subject to the delete retired players option. Non-affiliation with other leagues, that is, parent league status, does not seem to be a factor in this problem. It appears to be a matter of whether the retired player spent any time at all in his career at either either "Major League Level" or "International Level" that determines if the player is deleted upon retirement.

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