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Originally Posted by Doughnuts?
This is sophistry. The game is broken, the developer has admitted as much. Is this argument for argument's sake, because on some level I can appreciate that, or do you believe the game is fine the way it is?
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Elements of the game need attention, yes, specifically aging.
The facts of the matter are that modern pitchers don't come close to 300 wins in real life. They don't get the starts in a 34 GS 5 man rotation. In the current crop, you have a genetic mutant, perhaps the greatest pitcher since Cy Young, a HoF pitcher who capitalized on being on the best team of his era, and a second freak of nature.
Glavine and Johnson type careers are being produced currently. Pitcher aging needs fixed so we can get those freaks of nature like Clemens.
I would not consider the game broken if it did not spit out a Clemens or Maddux every decade. I would consider it broken if it did.
This is what modern pitchers do.
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1. Roger Clemens (42) 341 R
2. Greg Maddux (39) 318 R
3. Tom Glavine* (39) 275 L
4. Randy Johnson* (41) 263 L
5. David Wells* (42) 227 L
6. Mike Mussina (36) 224 R
7. Kevin Brown (40) 211 R
8. Jamie Moyer* (42) 205 L
9. Pedro Martinez (33) 197 R
10. Curt Schilling (38) 192 R
11. Kenny Rogers* (40) 190 L
12. John Smoltz (38) 177 R
13. Andy Pettitte* (33) 172 L
14. Kevin Appier (37) 169 R
15. Al Leiter* (39) 162 L
16. Tim Wakefield (38) 144 R
17. Scott Erickson (37) 142 R
18. Bartolo Colon (32) 139 R
19. Mike Hampton* (32) 138 L
20. Aaron Sele (35) 137 R
Out of that crop of pitchers, please list the guys who will win 20 more games in their careers.
I speculate Martinez, Rogers, and Pettite. You may have a different set.
Out of that 20, I see guys who are pitching their last seasons, are broken down 5.50 ERA types, or are so fragile that they can't be bellcow starters anymore ( Martinez specifically)
Nearly every one of those pitchers is on the precipice of disaster. Some have already fallen.
I want the game engine to produce pitchers like the above list when modern settings are used.
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1. Cy Young+ 511 R
2. Walter Johnson+ 417 R
3. Pete Alexander+ 373 R
Christy Mathewson+ 373 R
5. Pud Galvin+ 364 R
6. Warren Spahn+* 363 L
7. Kid Nichols+ 361 R
8. Tim Keefe+ 342 R
9. Roger Clemens (42) 341 R
10. Steve Carlton+* 329 L
11. John Clarkson+ 328 R
12. Eddie Plank+* 326 L
13. Nolan Ryan+ 324 R
Don Sutton+ 324 R
15. Greg Maddux (39) 318 R
Phil Niekro+ 318 R
17. Gaylord Perry+ 314 R
18. Tom Seaver+ 311 R
19. Charley Radbourn+ 309 R
20. Mickey Welch+ 307 R
If after 40 years, with modern settings, the leaderboard looks like that, then the game is broken, because pitchers dont get the starts or victories like they used to.