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Originally Posted by CubsLose
This is patently the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If a pitcher takes the mound and strikes out 27 guys in a row, do you think he's got a chance for a no-no? As a pitcher you'd expect about 30% of the balls hit in play to fall for a hit, so the less chance you give them to hit the ball the less chance you'll give up a hit.
It isn't a coincidence that Nolan Ryan leads all pitchers in no-hitters. Because he struck out a lot more batters and, yes, walked more batters, than the average pitcher, he was giving opponents less of a chance to put bat on ball and make a hit. I would have thought this is obvious.
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I appreciate your....zeal...as misguided and misunderstanding as it is. But what I'm saying is a guy who strikes out 18 guys has to throw at least 54 pitches, whereas a guy who gets all of them to ground or fly out on the first pitch has to throw 18 pitches...it's a lot harder to throw 54 pitches than it is to throw 18 pitches. Now obviously, no one induces everyone they face to ground or fly out on the first pitch anymore than anyone throws no more than three pitches for every K...fact is, a guy who's gonna strike out 18 has to throw as many as twice as many pitches (that's just a general, ballpark number...obviously not applicable as a blanket, general rule) as a guy who's going to induce ground or fly ball outs from the same 18 guys...and THEN there's the other 9 outs to worry about. And *I* would think it's obvious that the more pitches a pitcher throws, the more fatigue sets in, pitches start losing life and velocity and location, and maitaining that no hitter gets harder. So my POINT is that the more guys you strike out, the more pitches you have to throw, and the harder it gets to maintain the no hitter. So, thus, I contend that, while I think it all evens out in a no hitter and neither side (k's vs ground or fly ball inducing) is easier than the other (as more balls in play through the inducing technique DOES mean more chances for an infield hit, a dying quail, a texas leaguer, etc, but more K's means more fatigue and less quality late in the game). I say they're exactly the same, as far as affecting a no-hitter. BUT, if it WERE easier to pitch a no-hitter one way than it is the other, it'd be easier to induce the groundballs and throw LESS pitches, therefore being able to throw more QUALITY pitches LATE in the ballgame. Does that make sense, or do you want me to say it again?