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Originally Posted by DamnYankees
Carlton, why do you discount Babe's pitching record? I mean, it did happen. It's part of his greatness. The tone of your post implies that anyone who considers it must be an idiot.
He was a damn good pitcher. That shouldn't count into our thinking?
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Sorry if you thought I implied that...never said such a thing
It's apples and oranges.
Pitchers and Position players are so much different in baseball, it be like saying Patrick Roy is better then Bret Hull in hockey.
For statistical analysis, giving Ruth his pitching win shares against any position player is unfair. He should have his pitching in our minds, yes...but just because Cobb, Mays, Wagner, Ted Williams Mantle couldn't pitch...Babe GETS the added advantage? No. I did see an overview, much like added in potential for Williams' war years in which an estimate was given for Ruth playing RF instead of P in his early years...Cobb still had him beat, because Babe would have not been DYNAMIC during the deadball...he'd be Gavvy Cravath
I also stated that I know many support Ruth and that I DON'T mind, nor discourage it, but that it is not my viewpoint. From what a positon player CAN do, Cobb has Ruth over in a big way..Cobb had all 5 tools, retired with 90 plus records, never had the embarrasing Mays' decline, nor the cheated Hornsby PT platoon player decline