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Originally Posted by DamnYankees
I seriously don't understand why there is such antagonism here. I think everyone here will agree than both Pedro and Koufax are among the greatest pitchers who have ever lived. Pedro may beat out Koufax in the stats, and Koufax maybe had a special grace, a special intangible, that the stats just don't manage to gather. Can anyone else agree to this?
Jesus people, this is baseball. None of you sound like you're having any fun here!
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I'm having a good time actually - I just object to conventional wisdom being accepted as factuality when all evidence points to the contrary. I mind it when objectivity is being cast aside for irrationality, with the irrationality is being branded as factual! Look, I'm not going to change the minds of some of the old guys here- Koufax to them is a greater than life symbol, someone who did it while looking effortless, and I imagine that he would have been one of my favorites if I grew up around that time. That being said, it always bring to light one of baseball's issues for me- the reverence of the past has the unfortunate side effect (by some) of damning the present - as someone said it, if baseball was a car dealer- it would be telling that the 2005 model sucks, and you should go back to the 1930's model, when car's were car's and men were men.
I'm sure Koufax was great to watch in his prime - he really ended up being , all set and done, a poor man's Pedro - they are each other's most similar pitchers on B-r. They share a similar build, similar look - and were/are amazing to watch. Pedro is better by far- and that's no knock on Sandy- losing to one of the top 10 pitchers of all time is hardly a crime, and Koufax is probably still a HOF.