[Malleus Dei]

Gil Thorp: "I'll just have to trust my own eyes. And having seen both of them, Koufax, when at his best, was better. And it's not even close."

Me: "Koufax was like nothing that you ever saw. Everyone else? They're pitchers. Koufax - when he was on, he was something special. You had to see it." "Koufax, when at his best, was better...damned near transcendent. And Gil's right: it wasn't even close."

Rogmax11: "But I echo MD on this: Sandy was indeed something special, and exuded a style of class and graceful demeanor that seems to have nearly vanished these days." "I cannot believe anyone who has seen them both pitch live would ever go so far as to suggest that Koufax was in any way inferior to Pedro." "Ive said repeatedly--probably boringly--that SK was the best I ever saw, and I saw him a lot. I know it sounds a lot like old-timers grousing about the good old days, but transcendant is an apt description of Koufax. God only knows what his career might have been given todays medical, training, and usage conditions. Ive seen others that were domineering for a particular game or two, or ten. Ive never--never--seen anything like Koufax."

We all saw him pitch. We *know*. You didn't see him pitch, so you don't. But if you had seen it, you'd *know* too.

The map is not the territory.