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Big Six · 03-10-2005, 11:19 AM

Bill James developed the Hall of Fame Monitor as a tool to evaluate an active player's chances of making the Hall of Fame would be. Of course, in 1924, there was no Hall of Fame, and no Hall of Famers against which Pat's totals could be compared, so using the tool in this fashion is a little bit contrived. Still, I thought it would be fun to see how Pat stacks up here.

Here are each of the checkpoints James identifies, and Pat's status with regard to each of them:

For Batting Average, 2.5 points for each season over .300, 5.0 for over .350, 15 for over .400. Seasons are not double-counted. I require 100 games in a season to qualify for this bonus.
Pat has hit over .350 six times, and has batted between .300 and .350 another ten times. He scores 55 points for Batting Average.

For hits, 5 points for each season of 200 or more hits.
Pat has four 200-hit seasons, good for 20 points.

3 points for each season of 100 RBI's and 3 points for each season of 100 runs.
Pat has driven in at least 100 runs in five different seasons. He has scored at least 100 runs for thirteen consecutive seasons. Give him another 54 points in this category.

10 points for 50 home runs, 4 points for 40 HR, and 2 points for 30 HR.
Pat has never hit more than 17 homers in a season.

2 points for 45 doubles and 1 point for 35 doubles.
Pat has hit between 35 and 45 two-baggers in a season three times. That's good for 3 more points.

8 points for each MVP award and 3 for each AllStar Game, and 1 point for a Rookie of the Year award.
I will give Pat the MVP points for each of his two Most Outstanding Batter award-winning seasons. He has also played in 15 All-Star games. He scores 53 points in this category.

2 points for a gold glove at C, SS, or 2B, and 1 point for any other gold glove.
Pat has never won the Slick Fielder Award.

6 points if they were the regular SS or C on a WS team, 5 points for 2B or CF, 3 for 3B, 2 for LF or RF, and 1 for 1B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 3 points for OF.
Pat has seven World Series rings, and has been the starting second baseman on every one of the Sox' World Championship teams. That's good for 35 more points.

5 points if they were the regular SS or C on a League Championship (but not WS) team, 3 points for 2B or CF, 1 for 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF.
Twice, Pat has been the regular second sacker on pennant-winning teams that lost the Series. 6 more points here.

2 points if they were the regular SS or C on a Division Championship team (but not WS or LCS), 1 points for 2B, CF, or 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF.
There aren't any divisions in Pat's day.

6 points for leading the league in BA, 4 for HR or RBI, 3 for runs scored, 2 for hits or SB, and 1 for doubles and triples.
Wow...here we go: Two home run titles; seven in runs scored; one in hits; eleven in steals; one in doubles; three in triples; and a partridge in a pear tree. That looks like...57 more points.

50 points for 3,500 career hits, 40 for 3,000, 15 for 2,500, and 4 for 2,000.
Pat scores 40 more points here for his membership in the 3000 hit club.

30 points for 600 career home runs, 20 for 500, 10 for 400, and 3 for 300.
Hey, he's halfway to 300, he's second all time in career homers, and he's a Dead Ball guy. Shouldn't that be worth a point and a half?

24 points for a lifetime BA over .330, 16 if over .315, and 8 if over .300.
Pat is a career .334 hitter, and that's worth 24 points. He'll lose eight of them if his decline phase is long or precipitous enough.

For tough defensive positions, 60 for 1800 games as a catcher, 45 for 1,600 games, 30 for 1,400, and 15 for 1,200 games caught.
30 points for 2100 games at 2B or SS, or 15 for 1,800 games.
15 points for 2,000 games at 3B.
An additional 15 points in the player has more than 2,500 games played at 2B, SS, or 3B.
Pat scores 30 points here. He's only about 50 games away from the 15-point bonus for 2,500 games at 2B.

Award 15 points if the player's batting average is over .275 and they have 1,500 or more games as a 2B, SS or C.
Cha-ching...15 more for O'Farrell.

OK...adding all these up gives Pat O'Farrell a total of 392 points.

According to Bill James, a player with 100 has a decent shot at making the Hall, and a guy with 130 is basically a lock. Among "real" major leaguers, only four players--guys named Cobb, Musial, Ruth, and Aaron--have more than 392 points.

I'd say Pat O'Farrell has had a pretty nice career, wouldn't you?

03-10-2005, 11:19 AM	#595
Big Six Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,145	The Hall of Fame Monitor Bill James developed the Hall of Fame Monitor as a tool to evaluate an active player's chances of making the Hall of Fame would be. Of course, in 1924, there was no Hall of Fame, and no Hall of Famers against which Pat's totals could be compared, so using the tool in this fashion is a little bit contrived. Still, I thought it would be fun to see how Pat stacks up here. Here are each of the checkpoints James identifies, and Pat's status with regard to each of them: For Batting Average, 2.5 points for each season over .300, 5.0 for over .350, 15 for over .400. Seasons are not double-counted. I require 100 games in a season to qualify for this bonus. Pat has hit over .350 six times, and has batted between .300 and .350 another ten times. He scores 55 points for Batting Average. For hits, 5 points for each season of 200 or more hits. Pat has four 200-hit seasons, good for 20 points. 3 points for each season of 100 RBI's and 3 points for each season of 100 runs. Pat has driven in at least 100 runs in five different seasons. He has scored at least 100 runs for thirteen consecutive seasons. Give him another 54 points in this category. 10 points for 50 home runs, 4 points for 40 HR, and 2 points for 30 HR. Pat has never hit more than 17 homers in a season. 2 points for 45 doubles and 1 point for 35 doubles. Pat has hit between 35 and 45 two-baggers in a season three times. That's good for 3 more points. 8 points for each MVP award and 3 for each AllStar Game, and 1 point for a Rookie of the Year award. I will give Pat the MVP points for each of his two Most Outstanding Batter award-winning seasons. He has also played in 15 All-Star games. He scores 53 points in this category. 2 points for a gold glove at C, SS, or 2B, and 1 point for any other gold glove. Pat has never won the Slick Fielder Award. 6 points if they were the regular SS or C on a WS team, 5 points for 2B or CF, 3 for 3B, 2 for LF or RF, and 1 for 1B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 3 points for OF. Pat has seven World Series rings, and has been the starting second baseman on every one of the Sox' World Championship teams. That's good for 35 more points. 5 points if they were the regular SS or C on a League Championship (but not WS) team, 3 points for 2B or CF, 1 for 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF. Twice, Pat has been the regular second sacker on pennant-winning teams that lost the Series. 6 more points here. 2 points if they were the regular SS or C on a Division Championship team (but not WS or LCS), 1 points for 2B, CF, or 3B. I don't have the OF distribution, so I give 1 points for OF. There aren't any divisions in Pat's day. 6 points for leading the league in BA, 4 for HR or RBI, 3 for runs scored, 2 for hits or SB, and 1 for doubles and triples. Wow...here we go: Two home run titles; seven in runs scored; one in hits; eleven in steals; one in doubles; three in triples; and a partridge in a pear tree. That looks like...57 more points. 50 points for 3,500 career hits, 40 for 3,000, 15 for 2,500, and 4 for 2,000. Pat scores 40 more points here for his membership in the 3000 hit club. 30 points for 600 career home runs, 20 for 500, 10 for 400, and 3 for 300. Hey, he's halfway to 300, he's second all time in career homers, and he's a Dead Ball guy. Shouldn't that be worth a point and a half? 24 points for a lifetime BA over .330, 16 if over .315, and 8 if over .300. Pat is a career .334 hitter, and that's worth 24 points. He'll lose eight of them if his decline phase is long or precipitous enough. For tough defensive positions, 60 for 1800 games as a catcher, 45 for 1,600 games, 30 for 1,400, and 15 for 1,200 games caught. 30 points for 2100 games at 2B or SS, or 15 for 1,800 games. 15 points for 2,000 games at 3B. An additional 15 points in the player has more than 2,500 games played at 2B, SS, or 3B. Pat scores 30 points here. He's only about 50 games away from the 15-point bonus for 2,500 games at 2B. Award 15 points if the player's batting average is over .275 and they have 1,500 or more games as a 2B, SS or C. Cha-ching...15 more for O'Farrell. OK...adding all these up gives Pat O'Farrell a total of 392 points. According to Bill James, a player with 100 has a decent shot at making the Hall, and a guy with 130 is basically a lock. Among "real" major leaguers, only four players--guys named Cobb, Musial, Ruth, and Aaron--have more than 392 points. I'd say Pat O'Farrell has had a pretty nice career, wouldn't you? __________________ My dynasties: The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell: 2014 inductee, OOTP Dynasty Hall of Fame Kenilworth: A Town and its Team: fun with a fictional league Last edited by Big Six; 03-10-2005 at 11:20 AM.