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Nero · 09-09-2002, 12:03 AM

What it comes down to in reality, and leaves it open to argument is the name of the award. If it was changed to Player of the Year, I suspect that most everyone here would vote for Alex Rodriguez, because in the AL, he's put up the BEST individual numbers, despite the fact that he's on a losing team.

The fact that the award is called the Most Valuable Player is probably a mistake. Everyone and their sister can make a case for some player who has value to their winning team.

Angels- David Eckstein
A's- Miguel Tejada
Twins- Tori Hunter
Yankees- Alfonso Soriano
Mariners- Ichiro

.......you get my point. Most awards go to the player who has statistically the best numbers. When it's all said and done though, with the MVP, you need to factor in more than just the numbers, also involved SHOULD be value to team. Often times, that should be the tie breaker, but to suggest that David Eckstein's value to the Angels is of more worth than than A-Rod's statistical superiority is ridiculous.

Does anyone truly believe that A-Rod isnt statistically the best offensive player in the AL this year ?? Problem is, he plays on a last place team. My two other strong choices, have lesser stats in most cases, but more of the intangibles, Soriano only has 9 less total bases than A-Rod, and that's strictly thanks to his speed. Tejada is lesser than both, but probably has more harder to measure value, reminds me of Barry Larkin back in '95, from a value perspective, not a stat prospective.

If I had a vote:

1. Miguel Tejada- He really shone during the winning streak, saving his best moments for when the team really needed it. It's tough to put a worth on his intangibles, but I think that he really stepped it up without Jason Giambi, and is probably the most irreplaceable ( if injured ) player on any playoff hopefull team.

2. Alex Rodriguez- It's not his fault his team has no pitching, but he's made the most of his opportunities, and done his part, he's 8 up in HR's, and 9 up in RBI's. His offense has been amazing, but he does incur a slight penalty for being on a losing team.

3. Alfonso Soriano- Falls to 3rd, because you could plausibly argue Jason Giambi, ( Yankee fans will say Jeter as well....) Soriano's offense has been crucial, as well as the fact that he exhibits speed as well as power ( kind of like A-Rod did before he realized that they pay you for HR's, not SB's ! )

Bottom line is, people who want you to consider intangibles need to also consider the fact that the award should be called the Player of the Year, not the MVP, and if you still leave it to MVP, you've gotta consider the statistically great player, even if his team doesnt do well. The weight you put on the intangibles is up to you......

09-09-2002, 12:03 AM	#63
Nero Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 206	What it comes down to in reality, and leaves it open to argument is the name of the award. If it was changed to Player of the Year, I suspect that most everyone here would vote for Alex Rodriguez, because in the AL, he's put up the BEST individual numbers, despite the fact that he's on a losing team. The fact that the award is called the Most Valuable Player is probably a mistake. Everyone and their sister can make a case for some player who has value to their winning team. Angels- David Eckstein A's- Miguel Tejada Twins- Tori Hunter Yankees- Alfonso Soriano Mariners- Ichiro .......you get my point. Most awards go to the player who has statistically the best numbers. When it's all said and done though, with the MVP, you need to factor in more than just the numbers, also involved SHOULD be value to team. Often times, that should be the tie breaker, but to suggest that David Eckstein's value to the Angels is of more worth than than A-Rod's statistical superiority is ridiculous. Does anyone truly believe that A-Rod isnt statistically the best offensive player in the AL this year ?? Problem is, he plays on a last place team. My two other strong choices, have lesser stats in most cases, but more of the intangibles, Soriano only has 9 less total bases than A-Rod, and that's strictly thanks to his speed. Tejada is lesser than both, but probably has more harder to measure value, reminds me of Barry Larkin back in '95, from a value perspective, not a stat prospective. If I had a vote: 1. Miguel Tejada- He really shone during the winning streak, saving his best moments for when the team really needed it. It's tough to put a worth on his intangibles, but I think that he really stepped it up without Jason Giambi, and is probably the most irreplaceable ( if injured ) player on any playoff hopefull team. 2. Alex Rodriguez- It's not his fault his team has no pitching, but he's made the most of his opportunities, and done his part, he's 8 up in HR's, and 9 up in RBI's. His offense has been amazing, but he does incur a slight penalty for being on a losing team. 3. Alfonso Soriano- Falls to 3rd, because you could plausibly argue Jason Giambi, ( Yankee fans will say Jeter as well....) Soriano's offense has been crucial, as well as the fact that he exhibits speed as well as power ( kind of like A-Rod did before he realized that they pay you for HR's, not SB's ! ) Bottom line is, people who want you to consider intangibles need to also consider the fact that the award should be called the Player of the Year, not the MVP, and if you still leave it to MVP, you've gotta consider the statistically great player, even if his team doesnt do well. The weight you put on the intangibles is up to you......