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Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-31-2019, 01:44 PM
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Posted By RonCo
Given his career HR rate and the number of times...

Given his career HR rate and the number of times he loaded the base, the chances of him doing that by random nature were probably about 2% ... or a little under.
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-31-2019, 12:46 PM
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Posted By RonCo
Palmer is a fun guy to think about. As a kid, I...

Palmer is a fun guy to think about. As a kid, I loved watching Jim Palmer pitch. His numbers might suggest that he was a pretty good pitcher who had the great advantage of spending a career in a park...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-31-2019, 12:12 PM
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Posted By RonCo
At it's core, this is the "problem" that...

At it's core, this is the "problem" that initiated this thread--which is my point. The game uses the term "stuff" in a much more tightly constrained fashion than the entirety of people who follow the...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-31-2019, 07:03 AM
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Posted By RonCo
Well...hmmm. You're kind of mixing two arguments....

Well...hmmm. You're kind of mixing two arguments. As I said upstream, there's kind of a minimum k-rate floor that seems to apply to stay in the majors, so I think we generally agree there. Though...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-30-2019, 10:16 AM
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Posted By RonCo
On the whole you're right. I'll only note here...

On the whole you're right. I'll only note here that quality in the moment is different from longevity. Randy Jones' career span was not remarkably unusual, and was most likely considerably more...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-25-2019, 02:48 PM
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Posted By RonCo
It's not just pitchers, of course. Similar...

It's not just pitchers, of course. Similar conversations can be had with the AvoidK rating batters have. There are multiple ways a guy can avoid getting struck out: (1) not swinging at balls outside...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-25-2019, 02:23 PM
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Posted By RonCo
I agree with and understand all your points. If...

I agree with and understand all your points. If Fiason's ratings were:

Strikeouts: 20/20
Avoid HR: 6/6
Avoid BB: 10/12
Velocity: 95-97

Fastball: 20/20
Curveball: 17/17
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-24-2019, 11:57 AM
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Posted By RonCo
If OOTP labelled the three ratings "Strikeouts,"...

If OOTP labelled the three ratings "Strikeouts," "Avoid HR," and "Avoid Walks" we would not behaving this question. There would be other discussions, of course, but this one would be understood.
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-23-2019, 03:23 PM
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Posted By RonCo
I think the "Movement" you see in the profile...

I think the "Movement" you see in the profile does map directly into HR/AB. It is, however, an amalgam of the pitcher's core movement rating adjusted by both GB% and whatever repertoire differences...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 01:39 PM
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Posted By RonCo
Yes. And it's prevalent throughout baseball. At...

Yes. And it's prevalent throughout baseball. At one point I spent a half day or so reading baseball people talking about what "stuff" meant. When you do that, you'll find that stuff is a nebulous...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 11:58 AM
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Posted By RonCo
Yes, the generalization that holds true in OOTP...

Yes, the generalization that holds true in OOTP is success (statistics) is the result of player's ratings cross-matched with his or her surrounding environment.

That said, the question "what is...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 11:18 AM
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Posted By RonCo
And, yes, I know that the 4.5 K/9 rule of thumb...

And, yes, I know that the 4.5 K/9 rule of thumb will miss a few guys. To BirdWatcher's point, generalizations are pretty much always wrong somewhere. The one that always registers for me is Randy...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 11:08 AM
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Posted By RonCo
If you look you can find OOTP pitchers who are...

If you look you can find OOTP pitchers who are successful despite big holes in any of the three primary rating categories, though on the whole "stuff" (k-rate) tends to require bigger OOTP ratings....
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 10:22 AM
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Posted By RonCo
This goes to the point that--in reality--there is...

This goes to the point that--in reality--there is no formal/shared definition of "stuff." In OOTP, stuff = K-rate. But in baseball a guy can say "my stuff was there, but I couldn't get anyone out."...
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-22-2019, 12:59 AM
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Posted By RonCo
Velocity makes a fairly important difference,...

Velocity makes a fairly important difference, just not in the way you're expecting it to.
Forum: OOTP 20 - General Discussions 08-21-2019, 05:38 PM
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Posted By RonCo
We can argue about a lot of details, and the...

We can argue about a lot of details, and the system does "work." But at the end of the day there are many things about the pitcher/pitch rating system that are not particularly logical when your...
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