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Rich Grisham 11-08-2019 12:25 PM

Playing Tournaments in Perfect Team
 
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Introduction

Welcome to Perfect Team Tournaments! We are thrilled to deliver this big new feature to you later this month, and are excited to have all of our fans dive in and start having fun in a whole new way.

What Tournaments Are

Perfect Team Tournaments are standalone competitions that allow you to pit your Perfect Team against others. They are wholly separate from the ‘traditional’ Perfect Team mode, but share the same overall base of player cards on your roster. This lets you have fun in both universes without worrying about the impact of one on the other.

You earn all sorts of rewards when you are successful in a Tournament, from Perfect Points to Card Packs to Special Edition cards - and more. You don’t even have to win a Tournament to reap the rewards, as many Tournaments offer rewards for participants all the way down to the fourth place finisher.

Some Tournaments will complete in a matter of minutes, others over the course of a week. Some will have 8 teams, others will have over 100! Some will be single-elimination, others will be Best of 7. As you’ll see, there is virtually no limit to the combinations that will be available over time. We’ve designed Tournaments to be a blast for every kind of Out of the Park Baseball player.

Types of Tournaments

There are thousands of combinations of Tournaments that can exist. Here are the fundamental options that are combined to create the individual competitions:

Types: Quick (starts as soon as the max number of teams has signed up), Fixed Time, Daily, Weekly, Monthly

Modes: Single Elimination, Single Elimination w/ Best of Three Finals, Best of Three, Best of Three w/ Best of Five Finals, Best of Five, Best of Five w/ Best of Seven Finals, Best of Seven, Round Robin, Round Robin w/ Best of Three Finals, Double Round Robin, Double Round Robin w/ Best of Three Finals, Double Elimination, Double Elimination w/ Best of Three Finals

Roster Restrictions: None, Iron-only, Bronze or lower, Silver or lower, Gold or lower, Diamond or lower, Total Card Value Cap on Active Roster

Card Restrictions: None, Live only, Historical only, Non-live only

Tournaments with no restrictions whatsoever are called “Open Tournaments”.

Rewards: Perfect Points, Special Edition Card, Regular Pack, Gold Pack, Diamond Pack

Other Tournament Settings

In addition to the Tournament Modes, there are additional settings that further mix up the types of competitions. These include:

Designated Hitter: On or Off
Era: Each tournament can have a ‘year’ associated with it that will define the era settings used; for example, there will be 1910-based “Dead Ball Era” tournaments, 1980-based “Pitching and Defense Era”, and so on. Tournaments do not have to have an era associated with them, however.
Number of Teams: Tournaments can be as small as 8 and as large as 128 teams. The bigger the Tournament, the bigger the rewards!
Starting Day/Hour: Tournaments that are scheduled (i.e. non-Quick Tournaments) will have specific starting days and/or hours.

How to join

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Note:These screenshots were captured from a beta version used in a private testing server environment

Joining a Tournament is easy. You can do so from the list shown in the Tournaments section of the OOTP 20 Main screen via the “Sign Up” button, or from the Tournaments main page accessible via the “Show All Tournaments” button, which shows the full list of available tournaments and also the ability to list your current and past Tournaments in the “Your Tournaments” tab. If you've already joined a Tournament and it hasn't started yet, you'll also see a "Set Rosters" button so you can configure your team.

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There is a Filter and Sort ability on the Tournaments list page, making it easy to find exactly the right kind of Tournament for you.

Each user is allowed to participate in up to 3 unique Tournaments at a time. A single game license cannot have multiple teams in the same Tournament, however.

As soon as you are eliminated from an ongoing Tournament, or you have won a Tournament, you are able to join a new Tournament. There is no ‘wait time’ once a Tournament is complete for one of the three ‘slots’ that become available.

Setting up your Tournament Roster

You can configure your Active Roster for each Tournament! This allows you to dramatically expand the usage of your overall Perfect Team Card Collection. Each Tournament can have its own unique Active Roster, separate from your ‘main’ Perfect Team as well as that every other Tournament. This means that you do not need multiple copies of a card to use it in multiple Tournaments as well as your main Perfect Team.

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In addition, when submitting your team’s roster when a Tournament is loaded, its roster is automatically saved as the default for this specific type of Tournament (such as ‘Gold and lower’, for example) and will automatically be imported by the AI whenever you join a Tournament of the same restrictions type in the future. This doesn’t prevent you from making changes - it just makes it easier to jump in and get started.

You can start configuring your roster the moment you join a Tournament. This includes adding and removing cards from the Active and Reserve roster. Once a Tournament begins, the roster cannot be modified. You can adjust any and all of the rotations, lineups, bullpen roles, strategies, seven day lineups, and all other settings all the way through a Tournament, though! You just can’t move anyone on or off of the active roster once the Tournament has commenced.

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There are several options for your rosters once you’ve joined a Tournament.

You can import your ‘regular’ Perfect Team roster as a starting point, then manipulate it as you’d like. You can also import and export ‘pre-defined’ rosters that you have already configured and saved manually.

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The Roster Management screen will let you know if you’re within the Tournament restrictions or not; for example, if the Tournament is a certain player card value cap setting, the menu will tell you if you are over or under the cap and by how much. The feedback is instant too, so as you move cards on and off the roster you’ll know how close you are to being within the guidelines.

Roster AI

If you don’t set your roster after signing up, then the AI will attempt to create a roster for you based upon the settings of the tournament.

The default AI behavior - if you don’t set a roster - will be to set it to the last roster version of the entered Tournament’s restriction type. For example, the AI will use the roster that was set the last time you entered a Gold Live-Only Tournament when you enter a new Tournament of that same combination. If that roster fails to meet the Tournament criteria due to changes that you may have made, or if you’ve never been in this type of tournament, then the default roster creation AI will kick in.

When needed, the AI will do its best to set the roster up for you via default roster creation logic.

How Tournaments Play

Tournaments are a Playoff-type atmosphere! However, it’s not exactly the same playoff style as in traditional Perfect Team.

In Tournaments, fatigue is HIGH. There are essentially no off days, so players will tire more than they will in the standard Perfect Team universe. Your depth charts will be utilized. So be sure to have them set up for success! The AI will sit tired players based on that fatigue in non-elimination games according to your depth charts.

Following the Action

Games are simulated typically every 10 minutes once the tournament starts, depending on the type of the tournament; if you’re familiar with Perfect Team, you’ll recognize the process. Once the results are determined, you’ll see whether you’ve won or lost (as well as all the other action in the Tournament). Depending upon how you are faring, you’ll either continue on or be eliminated. Continuing on allows you, naturally, to make strategy/lineup/rotation/bullpen changes; being eliminated means you can check out the Tournament stats and see if you’ve received any rewards!

Here are the time until the first sim plus the regular simulation intervals, which depend on tournament size:
8 teams / 10 min to 1st sim / 10 min sim interval
16 - 15 - 10
32 - 15 - 15
64 - 30 - 30
128 - 60 - 30

Rich Grisham 11-08-2019 12:35 PM

Important information about Perfect Team Tournaments
 
Once closed beta testing is concluded (current scenario: Monday Nov 11, 2019), we will roll out a regular public OOTP 20 patch (version 20.7.xx). This has to happen on a Monday, as that is the same day we need to update the Perfect Team servers for the new league cycle.

The patch will be a required patch, meaning that you must take the new version to play the standard Perfect Team. You will no longer be able to access Perfect Team once we have updated the server until you take the patch. This new patch (20.7) will contain the Tournament feature which will still be officially in beta state; there is the potential for bugs, and the potential to affect main Perfect Team play. So, if we have a bit of bad luck we may have to release a hotfix patch soon after releasing 20.7.

Unfortunately, it is not possible for us to test the patch in the live server environment prior to launching it publicly because we also have to update the live servers. Currently the closed beta works on our preview servers (seen in the screenshots above), but it's unable to access the live servers at the same time.

So please have patience with us as we roll it out. There will be things that come up that we did not expect, and we will do our absolute best to manage this in the most efficient way possible. We are excited and can't wait for everyone to jump in and have a blast!

Guancous 11-08-2019 12:56 PM

Entry fee
 
Is there a PP entry fee for tournaments?

How about a variation in PT21 where each participant places a card (of a set value) in the pot and the winner takes all?

Kris Jardine 11-08-2019 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Guancous (Post 4557688)
Is there a PP entry fee for tournaments?

How about a variation in PT21 where each participant places a card (of a set value) in the pot and the winner takes all?

There is no cost to enter tournaments.

No, tournaments will not have a gambling element associated with them

Catchthedamnball 11-08-2019 01:22 PM

The screenshot Rich provided showed the ability to import a tournament roster from a file. I'm assuming we create the roster within OOTP and then it converts it into a file, instead of having to configure tournament rosters from the game files on our computer?

Kris Jardine 11-08-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Catchthedamnball (Post 4557697)
The screenshot Rich provided showed the ability to import a tournament roster from a file. I'm assuming we create the roster within OOTP and then it converts it into a file, instead of having to configure tournament rosters from the game files on our computer?

The import feature is for importing your regular Perfect Team roster should you export it from your regular team's league

neugey 11-08-2019 02:16 PM

I was not expecting the import/export roster to file feature! Good stuff!

scipper 11-08-2019 02:40 PM

Do POTM, TOTY, and AS cards count as Live, Historical, or Non-Live AND Non-Historical

ButtersFTW 11-08-2019 02:53 PM

Can you add more detail about SE cards rewards:

Are these new SE cards or the SEs from collection missions rewards?

If the reward to win a Tourn is an SE card, will it be identified which SE card it is before the event starts?

Will any cards that are rewards from any level of tournament become "locked" without using them in a collection mission?

Have you considered making the reward a "coin" which allows you to turn it in for whatever card you want?

micpringle 11-08-2019 02:56 PM

Will the HTML reports be published after each simulation like in PT?

dman7666 11-08-2019 03:46 PM

Will the tournament games be played in a neutral park or each team's home park? If in each teams home PT stadium will the ballpark settings be the same for our "regular" PT team, be something we can customize for each tournament, or will they be set to the default settings for parks?

Janks 11-08-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dman7666 (Post 4557790)
Will the tournament games be played in a neutral park or each team's home park? If in each teams home PT stadium will the ballpark settings be the same for our "regular" PT team, be something we can customize for each tournament, or will they be set to the default settings for parks?


This is from the other tournament thread.


https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...5&postcount=22

Matt Arnold 11-08-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scipper (Post 4557761)
Do POTM, TOTY, and AS cards count as Live, Historical, or Non-Live AND Non-Historical

They are nonlive cards. They are not eligible for live-only or historical-only tournaments (hence the distinctions - nonlive = historical + toty/as/potm/etc...)

Rich Grisham 11-08-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ButtersFTW (Post 4557767)
Can you add more detail about SE cards rewards:

Are these new SE cards or the SEs from collection missions rewards?

If the reward to win a Tourn is an SE card, will it be identified which SE card it is before the event starts?

Will any cards that are rewards from any level of tournament become "locked" without using them in a collection mission?

Have you considered making the reward a "coin" which allows you to turn it in for whatever card you want?

We are going to work through all of these once we’re live. We have some defaults and will adjust as we move forward.

bailey 11-08-2019 04:44 PM

Will there be a collection of tournament trophies?

For example there are 7 different kinds of tournaments with roster restrictions and 4 different kinds of tournaments with card restrictions. Collect a trophy from all 28 types of tournaments to complete the collection.

Rich Grisham 11-08-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey (Post 4557800)
Will there be a collection of tournament trophies?

For example there are 7 different kinds of tournaments with roster restrictions and 4 different kinds of tournaments with card restrictions. Collect a trophy from all 28 types of tournaments to complete the collection.

Not for starters! But these are the exact kind of ideas we love and will add to our roadmap.

bailey 11-08-2019 05:08 PM

In that case, I might suggest a tournament tour, highlighting different kinds of featured tournaments each day, earning points towards a weekly (or monthly) tournament tour champion. Like a Grand Slam of OOTP Tournaments.

nickwatic 11-08-2019 06:14 PM

Can't wait for Monday. Joining every iron/bronze tournament i can!

Rich Grisham 11-08-2019 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey (Post 4557807)
In that case, I might suggest a tournament tour, highlighting different kinds of featured tournaments each day, earning points towards a weekly (or monthly) tournament tour champion. Like a Grand Slam of OOTP Tournaments.

Another worthy idea!

Dogberry99 11-08-2019 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey (Post 4557807)
In that case, I might suggest a tournament tour, highlighting different kinds of featured tournaments each day, earning points towards a weekly (or monthly) tournament tour champion. Like a Grand Slam of OOTP Tournaments.

Alternatively, with the increasing forms competition, there is a possibility to incorporate some form of a ranked ladder system into the game, which could be another way to arrive at seasonal rewards. This could also be utilized as an additional prerequisite for some of the more elite and exclusive tournaments.

At a bare minimum, it would be another way for players to compete (or meta-compete?) beyond just simple comparisons of counting stats like tournaments won, leagues won, cards collected, or collections completed.

neugey 11-08-2019 11:35 PM

This question popped in my head when I was watching football tonight - what happens for the non-Quick tournaments that don't fill up before their designated start time? Are they filled with ghost entries to become complete, or do they start w/ less teams then intended, or do they become defunct if they don't have enough membership?

Rich Grisham 11-09-2019 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 4557949)
This question popped in my head when I was watching football tonight - what happens for the non-Quick tournaments that don't fill up before their designated start time? Are they filled with ghost entries to become complete, or do they start w/ less teams then intended, or do they become defunct if they don't have enough membership?

Good question; I'll get the answer because I don't actually know yet. :)

bailey 11-09-2019 12:17 AM

I assume a random assortment of teams would get a first round bye

Markus Heinsohn 11-09-2019 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 4557949)
This question popped in my head when I was watching football tonight - what happens for the non-Quick tournaments that don't fill up before their designated start time? Are they filled with ghost entries to become complete, or do they start w/ less teams then intended, or do they become defunct if they don't have enough membership?

We push these back by an hour (or more) to give more time to sign up. Hopefully this won't happen often :)

Dogberry99 11-09-2019 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn (Post 4557983)
We push these back by an hour (or more) to give more time to sign up. Hopefully this won't happen often :)

I could see it happening more and more often after many players move on to OOTP21.

Which raises the question... Will tournaments keep the same general schedule for their life cycle as Perfect Team?

Westheim 11-09-2019 10:03 AM

I have a thought.

(pauses as everybody takes cover)

I thought of era-specific tournaments - say, a 1950s tournament, only cards from 1950-1959 allowed, but you could also do f.e. an interwar tournament from 1919-1941 and countless others - that might also be capped (f.e. gold cards or below) where the top finishers are rewarded in special packs; those packs would only contain cards from the era the tournament was played in, so 1950-1959 or 1919-1941 in the prior examples.

These packs might have a slightly skewed content distribution towards higher-value cards, or maybe not; but they would of course only contain historical cards, also meaning that all perfect and diamond cards popped would be potentially extremely valuable.

I realize that there's probably a lot of work to do with the pack content generation algorithm to pull this off. but that would be one way to combat card shortages on the market, too.

dkgo 11-09-2019 10:34 AM

Maybe they have data that more players are active than it seems, but you can't spread out the player base too much. Make way too many different formats and they fill very slowly.

It also is going to magnify the obvious problem with the regular league structure. If I am in perfect leagues but want to train up some bronze players to play different positions in the bronze tournaments then I have no other place to do it and have to tank the league for a season. Next year needs to have dynamic level assignment based on your team strength.

stl jason 11-09-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo (Post 4558035)
Maybe they have data that more players are active than it seems, but you can't spread out the player base too much. Make way too many different formats and they fill very slowly.

It also is going to magnify the obvious problem with the regular league structure. If I am in perfect leagues but want to train up some bronze players to play different positions in the bronze tournaments then I have no other place to do it and have to tank the league for a season. Next year needs to have dynamic level assignment based on your team strength.


I wouldn't call it tanking per se if you do it in small increments.... I brought up two bronze cards at a time (one IF, one OF) while in the Perfect tier to train them up for tourney use.... they actually outperformed a bunch of my regular gold/diamond cards and didn't tank the season for the team as a whole....

takes a little longer to do it two players at time obviously, but it can be done

dkgo 11-09-2019 10:58 AM

Seems like that speaks more to your current gold/diamond player selection :p

I dunno. At least for me the regular leagues just seem to be something going on in the background now. But if I was trying to compete in perfect though I would rather be a lot worse in one season then just get back there instead of a little worse in multiple seasons.

dkgo 11-09-2019 11:00 AM

I will say I had fun building a silver and bronze lineup this week. Next season I'm looking forward to throwing my all silver team out there and training guys up.

Cobbiusto 11-09-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim (Post 4558025)
I thought of era-specific tournaments - say, a 1950s tournament, only cards from 1950-1959 allowed, but you could also do f.e. an interwar tournament from 1919-1941 and countless others - that might also be capped (f.e. gold cards or below) where the top finishers are rewarded in special packs; those packs would only contain cards from the era the tournament was played in, so 1950-1959 or 1919-1941 in the prior examples.
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I had also hoped there would be tournaments where the entire roster had to come from one major league team. There might be more problems with filtering by team than card type or level of card maybe. But with so many more tournament options than I thought would be possible, I guess I ought to be satisfied. :D

daves 11-10-2019 10:44 AM

1625/65 Cap? I guess I like a better explanation of this Cap or various caps?

Also, for the non-live cap, can I move my live players to the reserve roster to qualify? I cannot get rid of some cards due to the collectons.

Matt Arnold 11-10-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by daves (Post 4558279)
1625/65 Cap? I guess I like a better explanation of this Cap or various caps?



Also, for the non-live cap, can I move my live players to the reserve roster to qualify? I cannot get rid of some cards due to the collectons.

There will be tournaments at all variety of cap levels.

And tournament roster are entirely separate from your regular roster, so it's possible and likely that from one tournament to another you have a completely different 25-man roster, and those can all be completely separate from your main roster. The cards do not need to be on your main active or reserve list - anything in your collection can be used in a tournament if the card is eligible based on tier and type.

UltimateAverageGuy 11-10-2019 12:41 PM

This game is going to a completely different level in 24 hours; I'm REALLY excited.

bailey 11-10-2019 01:28 PM

Has there been any marketing effort directed towards owners of inactive teams? Now may be a good time to remind them that some of them probably have 100K worth of points stockpiled. Auto-entering into tournaments some inactive teams might help some tournaments fill faster and offer these inactive teams more chances to accrue points or packs for marketing purposes.

dkgo 11-10-2019 02:54 PM

Surely there can be a way to build and save different squads to get ready. Right now all I can do is put a bunch of players on the reserve list and try to remember what team I want to use them on and who I still need to add.

Rich Grisham 11-10-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by micpringle (Post 4557768)
Will the HTML reports be published after each simulation like in PT?

If you're referring to the ability to open the box scores and such in your browser, yes.

micpringle 11-10-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Grisham (Post 4558404)
If you're referring to the ability to open the box scores and such in your browser, yes.

It was this kind of report I was referring to. Especially for tournaments that span multiple days.

waittilnextyear 11-10-2019 05:59 PM

One thing that might be a nice addition is giving a team the option of having a "taxi squad." That "taxi squad" could go compete in the entry pool/Iron level; it would not accrue any PP and would be ineligible for promotion, but it would be a good way to allow teams to train up their lower-rated players at different positions for tournament usage. Options for doing so now are pretty limited without resorting to tanking or severely handicapping a competitive team at higher ranks.

neugey 11-10-2019 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo (Post 4558365)
Surely there can be a way to build and save different squads to get ready. Right now all I can do is put a bunch of players on the reserve list and try to remember what team I want to use them on and who I still need to add.


Because I am such a dork, and because I'll have less time to construct teams tomorrow, I've put together two salary cap squads in Excel. Might work on a third tonight. Salary cap is going to be so interesting - everyone is going to be forced to play some real scrub cards.

dkgo 11-10-2019 09:41 PM

66 Aparicio gonna be on every cap team

daves 11-10-2019 10:46 PM

Love to have a tournament of Perfect teams without a Perfect championship.

PocketsAintFull 11-10-2019 10:51 PM

Looking forward to trying out some tournaments, been away from PT for a little while now :)

(during which time my teams chose to win playoff series, rather than when I was paying attention and hanging on every result :p:laugh:)

Markus Heinsohn 11-11-2019 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99 (Post 4557991)
Which raises the question... Will tournaments keep the same general schedule for their life cycle as Perfect Team?

Yes.

stl jason 11-11-2019 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear (Post 4558438)
One thing that might be a nice addition is giving a team the option of having a "taxi squad." That "taxi squad" could go compete in the entry pool/Iron level; it would not accrue any PP and would be ineligible for promotion, but it would be a good way to allow teams to train up their lower-rated players at different positions for tournament usage. Options for doing so now are pretty limited without resorting to tanking or severely handicapping a competitive team at higher ranks.


yeah, can be a challenge to try and train iron/bronze cards at positions when you're at higher levels.... perhaps rather than have them play games at entry/iron level, just have 9 position slots for the reserve roster, where you could plug in one player at each and every sim they would gain some experience at that position (as if they were playing spring training games against other reserves).

TheNamelessPoet 11-11-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stl jason (Post 4558628)
yeah, can be a challenge to try and train iron/bronze cards at positions when you're at higher levels.... perhaps rather than have them play games at entry/iron level, just have 9 position slots for the reserve roster, where you could plug in one player at each and every sim they would gain some experience at that position (as if they were playing spring training games against other reserves).

you know... to add onto that... maybe a bronze only league with no PP gain? runs like the Entry leagues, 24/7 but you get no PP

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dkgo 11-11-2019 09:25 AM

Or keep tournament position training separate from regular position training.

As-is I'm now more excited to get a card off the auction house that's been heavily used before. The Andrelton Simmons I bought for the Angels collection is maxed out at all infield positions and will be perfect for a silver or even gold tournament.

Markus Heinsohn 11-11-2019 10:04 AM

Here are the time until the first sim plus the regular simulation intervals, which depend on tournament size:
8 teams / 10 min to 1st sim / 10 min sim interval
16 - 15 - 10
32 - 15 - 15
64 - 30 - 30
128 - 60 - 30

webdox 11-11-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo (Post 4558668)
Or keep tournament position training separate from regular position training.

As-is I'm now more excited to get a card off the auction house that's been heavily used before. The Andrelton Simmons I bought for the Angels collection is maxed out at all infield positions and will be perfect for a silver or even gold tournament.

There is a wheelbarrow full of cards I wish I had not sold now... Next year! Next year for sure I won't let the OCD rule my rosters...

One Great Matrix 11-11-2019 10:27 AM

How about a Monday Morning Tournament of Champions?

A 32-team tournament open to the Perfect Leagues champions from Sunday only. Best-of-3 each round or something.

For those who feel they have something extra to prove.


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