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torpidbeaver 03-22-2019 12:29 AM

Exit Velocity?
 
Where do I find the information on that? Is it in a widget or something?

Is it tracked now? Will it be a statistic somewhere?

Markus Heinsohn 03-22-2019 03:51 AM

Will be part of a patch, it will be listed in game logs and as a opup when you move the mouse over the hits on the spray chart in the player profile.

Shake Appeal 03-22-2019 05:12 AM

Sweet, did not know that was coming.

torpidbeaver 03-22-2019 10:17 AM

Will it be something that we're able to see in-game, in the 3D or webcast view?

Matt Arnold 03-22-2019 10:19 AM

It will be in the game logs at least. We'll think about other ways to make it more visible too :)

David Watts 03-22-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold (Post 4457492)
It will be in the game logs at least. We'll think about other ways to make it more visible too :)

Ugh, I don't enjoy listening to hairhats talk about exit velocity during real broadcasts. Not looking forward to seeing it associated with the likes of Willie Horton or Al Kaline,:o

Curve Ball Dave 03-22-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts (Post 4457513)
Ugh, I don't enjoy listening to hairhats talk about exit velocity during real broadcasts. Not looking forward to seeing it associated with the likes of Willie Horton or Al Kaline,:o


Yep. And when Willie put one into the upper deck at Tiger Stadium it's safe to assume the exit velocity was really high. We didn't need statcast to tell us that.

Chico Guilbault 03-22-2019 10:39 AM

I hate that stuff too...

http://www.doomedsince1889.com/wp-co...ff-my-lawn.jpg

Curve Ball Dave 03-22-2019 10:40 AM

Seriously, let's say we knew Jimmy Foxx's average exit velocity. That would have told us what about him that we didn't already know?

x McLovin x 03-22-2019 10:50 AM

Grumpy get-off-my-lawners notwithstanding, I am super excited about the inclusion of anything exit velocity-related in the game.

I would be ECSTATIC if this was included in the leaderboards and if it was an additional variable I could consider for player acquisitions. Is this a possibility or is it planned to be included in future patches?

Also, on a related note, I would also love launch angle to be something I can track for my players and to be included as a leaderboard statistic. For example, I would love to be able to filter for average launch angles in between, say, 10 and 25 degrees. My single biggest OOTP dream would actually be to apply 2 filters simultaneously - one for average launch angle between 10 and 25 degrees, and another for average exit velocity over 90 MPH. :drool:

This has me thinking - say, in this theoretical OOTP world where exit velocities and launch angles are tracked, you have a player that has high exit velocities but a low launch angle that results in high ground ball rates. Can/would the coaching system ever get advanced to the point where you can influence the hitter's tendencies? If you can coax a higher launch angle out of that player, that will yield a more productive batted-ball profile. :drool:

Curve Ball Dave 03-22-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by x McLovin x (Post 4457535)
Grumpy get-off-my-lawners notwithstanding,


This grumpy one says the question still stands; What does it tell you that you didn't already know? Stanton hits 500' home runs, Billy Hamilton doesn't. Knowing the average exit velocity sheds no light on either player.

I'll take it a step further, say we have a player who consistantly hits 35-40 hrs a year at pretty much the same rate per ab. But his average exit velocity isn't has high as some others who hit HRs at a lower rate per AB. From this we conclude...........what from average exit velocity?

zrog2000 03-22-2019 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave (Post 4457524)
Seriously, let's say we knew Jimmy Foxx's average exit velocity. That would have told us what about him that we didn't already know?

It tells you whether he deserved the hits or outs based on how hard he hit the ball on a particular day. Too many deranged fools think that seeing 0-5 or 5-5 in a box score tells you everything you need to know about how well a player is playing when it literally tells you nothing.

zrog2000 03-22-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave (Post 4457542)
This grumpy one says the question still stands; What does it tell you that you didn't already know? Stanton hits 500' home runs, Billy Hamilton doesn't. Knowing the average exit velocity sheds no light on either player.

I'll take it a step further, say we have a player who consistantly hits 35-40 hrs a year at pretty much the same rate per ab. But his average exit velocity isn't has high as some others who hit HRs at a lower rate per AB. From this we conclude...........what from average exit velocity?

Try judging a player on one at-bat without exit velocity. Did he hit the ball well or not? Is a hit that was hit 120 mph equal to a hit that was hit 40 mph? Which one is more likely to be a hit in the future? If a player goes 0-5 with an average exit velocity of 110, did he have a bad game? If he does that for a few games in a row, should he try to alter his swing or approach to try to get out of his "slump"?

Curve Ball Dave 03-22-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000 (Post 4457551)
It tells you whether he deserved the hits or outs based on how hard he hit the ball on a particular day. Too many deranged fools think that seeing 0-5 or 5-5 in a box score tells you everything you need to know about how well a player is playing when it literally tells you nothing.


You think an educated observer like a manager or hitting coach can't tell the difference between a lucky seeing eyed bloop when the batter was fooled and swung in self defense and a hard hit line drive that was caught because the fielder couldn't get out of the way? C'mon.

x McLovin x 03-22-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave (Post 4457542)
This grumpy one says the question still stands; What does it tell you that you didn't already know? Stanton hits 500' home runs, Billy Hamilton doesn't. Knowing the average exit velocity sheds no light on either player.

I'll take it a step further, say we have a player who consistantly hits 35-40 hrs a year at pretty much the same rate per ab. But his average exit velocity isn't has high as some others who don't hit HRs at nearly the same rate. From this we conclude...........what?

Let me pose a scenario for you: say you have two players with little historical information and service time, and to this point have approximately equal home run rates. Let's also say you are interested in acquiring players that have a higher chance of hitting more extra base hits/home runs in the future. Would you not consider those players' average exit velocities and average launch angles to be key variables in that assessment?

My purposes for wanting these stats may not align with yours and that's fine. That doesn't make these stats any less credible, or useful, however. Would exit velocity and launch angle provide any additional 'useful' information for a player you already know has a large history of being an incredible power hitter? Well, not really, but it would sure be fun to see it anyway and see how they compare with modern players, right?

I'm generally of the opinion that including more search parameters can only really improve the overall user experience...you can always look at whatever variables you want to look at, but I would find it hard to believe that having more tools/information at your disposable to make better informed decisions, if you so choose, is a bad idea. Maybe that's just me though. :confused:

zrog2000 03-22-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave (Post 4457555)
You think an educated observer like a manager or hitting coach can't tell the difference between a lucky seeing eyed bloop when the batter was fooled and swung in self defense and a hard hit line drive that was caught because the fielder couldn't get out of the way? C'mon.

Let's hear how you do it while looking at a box score since you don't even want the data collected at all.

x McLovin x 03-22-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000 (Post 4457554)
Try judging a player on one at-bat without exit velocity. Did he hit the ball well or not? Is a hit that was hit 120 mph equal to a hit that was hit 40 mph? Which one is more likely to be a hit in the future? If a player goes 0-5 with an average exit velocity of 110, did he have a bad game? If he does that for a few games in a row, should he try to alter his swing or approach to try to get out of his "slump"?

Well said.

Curve Ball Dave 03-22-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000 (Post 4457554)
Try judging a player on one at-bat without exit velocity. Did he hit the ball well or not? Is a hit that was hit 120 mph equal to a hit that was hit 40 mph? Which one is more likely to be a hit in the future? If a player goes 0-5 with an average exit velocity of 110, did he have a bad game? If he does that for a few games in a row, should he try to alter his swing or approach to try to get out of his "slump"?


For over a hundred years, without knowing the average exit velocities, baseball people knew the difference between a ball that was hard hit but at 'em and one that was not that fell in for a hit.

CField17 03-22-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts (Post 4457513)
Ugh, I don't enjoy listening to hairhats talk about exit velocity during real broadcasts. Not looking forward to seeing it associated with the likes of Willie Horton or Al Kaline,:o

You must listen to Tigers radio broadcasts, thus being subjected to Dan Dickersonís endless analysis of walk rates/hard hit rates etc. Yaaawwn.

zrog2000 03-22-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave (Post 4457563)
For over a hundred years, without knowing the average exit velocities, baseball people knew the difference between a ball that was hard hit but at 'em and one that was not that fell in for a hit.

I guess you could say that if you watched every single inning of every game and kept track of every hit ball to quantify anything at all. But not in OOTP since the animations don't directly correspond to reality.

Personally, I don't do that, so I prefer exit velocities which I will use to determine good or bad luck in small sample sizes. Just watching games isn't going to be as quantifiable as actual numbers over periods of time.


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