now this is a great idea. could henry rowengartner strike out the ghost of shoeless joe jackson? would jon lester simply implode when benny "the jet" rodriguez is on the basepaths?

Well here's one fan vote for being able to see em. It will make it more *fun* for collectors to fill in the missing spots, and fill out their binder. You don't have to list the stats on uncollected cards or anything, just let us see what they are so we can "color" them in as we collect.

Obviously you disagree. You're the boss. Otherwise you probably would've vetoed them. :p

The difference between the two examples is this: a "peak" card based on a string of seasons around the player's peak is representative of a player's ability around his peak. They are (or should be) representative of what that player was capable of producing in a season at the height of his career.

The new Legend cards don't represent ANY point in a player's career. It's cherry-picking a player's best individual category ratings from different points in his career to produce something that pushes realism way beyond the PT19's version of Legend cards.

I know this game is your baby. But your response seemed a little uncharacteristically defensive. I'm not even arguing the point that people won't like these new legends; I'm guessing there will many who are happy to have a super card regardless of who it is or how it's calculated, so long as they can construct the best team possible. But the two types are a complete apples to oranges comparison. I'm sorry, but we don't see eye-to-eye on this.

Markus, perhaps I don't understand this. But... if you are saying that Babe Ruth's best year for homers is used for power and his best year for hits is used for contact and his best year for extra-base hits is used for gap power and his best year for walks is used for eye and his lowest strikeout year is used for avoid Ks... that year never happened. In fact, that year would likely be impossible.

Based on this, I should not be hoarding any PP points. Those balances are reset also?

My understanding is the cards were never meant to be based on a "season" the player had. They are based on a portion of the player career.

Agreed, would be a huge fan of Pedro Cerrano's 100 power and 2 avoiding k's, or Ricky Vaughn 100 stuff and 3 control :laugh:

We do some tweaking too, otherwise these cards would be way too good compared to the rest.

Really, I think this new approach is better than before, in fact when OOTP 19 PT started a lot of users thought the cards already worked like that and did not like the actual concept of ratings based on X peak seasons. :) But of coure this is a matter where some others have a different opinion, that's to be expected. You cannot please everybody. :o

Yes, absolutely nothing from OOTP 19 will carry over. PT in OOTP 19 will continue to run (for at least another 12 months) alongside PT in OOTP 20 as seperate worlds.

That's okay, it's a matter of taste and opinion I suppose. :)

Can you share any info on whether the ratings on the historical cards carry over and remain as they were in 19, or whether they will change? Will the same historical players exist in 20 as in 19, or will some players be eliminated?

After many seasons of active play in 19, I think there has been a strong community identification of cards that over perform- many of these were selected this week as 19 all-stars- Suzuki, Barker, Dierker, Aparicio, etc., as well as other cards that underperform. Some of us may have even been compiling extensive excel files of performance by card (guilty..).

Do these historicals return with their current ratings, or is it a complete reset where we will have to rediscover from point zero potential individual card performance? Will some historicals return, but as different years and ratings?

Don't forget his 1916-1917 pitching. They'll be creating a player that will massacre non-DH tourneys.

My previous example was getting Pirates Bonds' legs and Gold Glove defense with Giants Bonds record-breaking power and walkrate. That's a monster roids couldn't even create.

The historical cards have different ratings, we have tweaked the rating algorithm and improved the database so that defensive ratings are more realistic, for example. Also, the overall card value rating calculation was tweaked. So, you'll have a lot of new things to discover ;) We have added many new cards and also eliminated some (the Top WAR category, as mentioned in the first post).

Just adding another voice in support of this. I would very much like a permanent Salary Cap mode at some point. The challenge of building your team under those type of limitations is a lot more interesting to me than just putting all the highest rated players on my 25 man.

I would suggest capping player seasons from one card somewhere between 20 and 26. That way players could build up realistic looking career stats. If you don't do that, we'll all have super teams by the time OOTP 21 comes out.

And then we'll move on to OOTP 21 for a fresh start, which is what they want.

Sorry, I was referring to the method you'll be using to update the Live cards during the 2019 season.

Agree. And I do realize my suggestion is a pretty big ask. If we need to suffice with Salary Cap-esque challenges during OOTP 20 and this couldn't come until OOTP 21 that would be totally fine.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. You're ruining my life Markus.....lol

That is the method. Basically, we'll take the actual player stats, run some neutralization tweaks (ie. adjust Rockies players for park factors, etc...), and then based on how many PA/IP they have, adjust the ratings that way. We are still discussing whether there will be other adjustments made for live cards (ie. do we add extra bonuses for past week or past 10 days production?), but we will announce that all around release time.

The main leagues won't have a salary cap. However, we do plan on having many tournaments on, and a large number of them will have a form of "salary cap" to them, so that should be a nice way to test your skill if you like that challenge.