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Murph3 02-27-2019 10:40 PM

Historical Play Improvements?
 
I play historical about 90% of the time. Could a developer please comment on any improvements to historical play? The guys on the stream last night seemed to mention improvements with real transactions & lineups.

Thanks

Markus Heinsohn 02-28-2019 03:10 AM

We have better rating algorithms ( = more realism) especially for defensive ratings. We also updated all the databases and added some more stats and we improved the rosters AI in many areas, for example when playing with historical minors.

nyy26wc 02-28-2019 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn (Post 4442661)
We have better rating algorithms ( = more realism) especially for defensive ratings. We also updated all the databases and added some more stats and we improved the rosters AI in many areas, for example when playing with historical minors.

Is there any chance that updating the databases means you have historical contracts? I want to finally be able to start a replay that begins with 2000 with players starting with their actual contracts.

pstrickert 02-28-2019 11:03 AM

The best addition to OOTP20, IMO, is historical injuries. DL/IL moves were added to the transactions file.

David Watts 02-28-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4442782)
The best addition to OOTP20, IMO, is historical injuries. DL/IL moves were added to the transactions file.

Holy crap are you kidding me? How far back does this go?

pstrickert 02-28-2019 11:14 AM

The earliest entries are in 1909. But I'm sure we don't have complete data for the oldest seasons. Lots of data for the last half-century. Before that, however, we have less data. Of course, the DL list was not used much IRL for much of baseball history. See this article for details:

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/n...ist-a-history/

pstrickert 02-28-2019 11:16 AM

By the way, Kim Mohan (username: M's rule) spent the better part of two years gathering and sorting through the data. It was a monumental task, for which he deserves a TON of credit!

David Watts 02-28-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4442786)
The earliest entries are in 1909. But I'm sure we don't have complete data for the oldest seasons. Lots of data for the last half-century. Before that, however, we have less data. Of course, the DL list was not used much IRL for much of baseball history. See this article for details:

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/n...ist-a-history/

This is huge. You've been telling me the last few years that this might happen. Really great news.

swampdragon 02-28-2019 11:31 AM

Where are the historical lineups? Are we complete back to 1906?

pstrickert 02-28-2019 11:45 AM

Yes, we’re complete back to 1901.

swampdragon 02-28-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4442802)
Yes, we’re complete back to 1901.

That's great. I think you could easily get that back to 1892, but of course you'd have to have the proper league structure in the game first. Before that, the American Association would take some serious research.

Edit: I've done it, so I know how much trouble it is to input lineups without Retrosheet. I know getting complete back to 1901 was a challenge.

David Watts 02-28-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4442802)
Yes, we’re complete back to 1901.

By the way, I just discovered the fictional stadiums featured in your historical stadium mod. I am loving them. Thank you.

pstrickert 02-28-2019 05:58 PM

I didn’t create them, as you know. At some point, though, I lumped them into the great big file. Not gonna do that again, since the file size grows exponentially.

Bill Veeck 02-28-2019 06:02 PM

This is just terrific. Huge thanks to everyone involved in making this happen. It will make replays much more engaging and fun.

One thing I've been noticing in replaying the 1920s is that so many stats are accurate at the end of the season, but that runs typically are around 4 or closer to 5% down every year from actuals even though OPS and other stats accurately reflect actuals.

Could this be due to overly limiting scoring from third and perhaps limiting taking extra bases on hits? Maybe this is only happening in "ancient times" and a result of an advancement algorithm based on recent times (as it should be). What have you noticed in more recent times?

BaseballMan 02-28-2019 06:14 PM

With historical injuries will retiring players retire on the day they actually retired?
I know we can retire them in the correct season but sometimes the date can make a difference.
When a team has a player that retired in May but doesn't retire till the end of the season and ootp can give that team a edge they didn't historically have or keep another player from playing.
Like when Ruth retired. If you don't retire him then its possible he can finish with 20 homers.

pstrickert 02-28-2019 06:18 PM

I don't know the answer, BaseballMan. Kim Mohan (M's rule) might know, if you'd care to PM him.

BaseballMan 02-28-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4443103)
I don't know the answer, BaseballMan. Kim Mohan (M's rule) might know, if you'd care to PM him.

Its not something that can't wait. I just thought about it as i was reading the threat. I'll probably forget it by the time the game comes out.
But thanks for the info. If curiosity gets the best of me i'll PM.

zappa1 03-01-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert (Post 4442802)
Yes, we’re complete back to 1901.

This alone is enough for me to buy the game again. Oh, and of course, pants. Sure hope it's true.:thumbup1::rolleyes:

TomVeal 03-01-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nyy26wc (Post 4442743)
Is there any chance that updating the databases means you have historical contracts? I want to finally be able to start a replay that begins with 2000 with players starting with their actual contracts.

It would be great to have historically accurate contracts in the game, but I wonder how much of that data is available. When I was a lad, in the reserve clause era, contract terms were often deep secrets. I recall a sportswriter making a splash one year by claiming that he had seen Ted Williams' contract.

Pirates 03-01-2019 01:11 PM

I am in my mid 50's and only play Historical Seasons, to me that was real baseball.
I usually start the earliest date or sometimes 1901.
I would love to post things about Historical leagues when, something I believe could be added to the game.

In 1891 the Pittsburgh Allegheny's signed Lou Bierbauer. The Philadelphia Athletics protested this transaction claiming the signing of said player was "piratical". That year Pittsburgh changed its name to the "Pirates".
It would be nice when playing historical that in 1891 Lou Bierbauer was automatically put on the Pirate roster. Since his signing, is how the name Pirates came to be.

Roberto Clemente, no matter how many times I play, never gets an 80 for a throwing arm. He had one of the greatest arm's in right field, in the history of the game.

Thank you.


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