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tward13 03-20-2019 05:17 PM
Rescheduling rain outs
 
When opening day (say a Monday) is rained out. The game should be made up on the open Tuesday, NOT a doubleheader on Wednesday. That's why the open day is there.

Hooray Saturday 03-20-2019 05:25 PM
was it raining on Tuesday also?

tward13 03-20-2019 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hooray Saturday (Post 4456168)
was it raining on Tuesday also?
I wouldn't know. When Monday was rained out the game showed up on the schedule as a Wed DH. So Tuesday was the scheduled off day. If it had scheduled the game for Tue then rained it out when I got there that would be ok

Le Grande Orange 03-20-2019 06:03 PM
The rescheduling procedure could use some improvement, yes.

jimmysthebestcop 03-20-2019 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tward13 (Post 4456159)
When opening day (say a Monday) is rained out. The game should be made up on the open Tuesday, NOT a doubleheader on Wednesday. That's why the open day is there.
Without the extra roster spot for double headers I just cancel rainouts.

It sucks I have to do that./ But doubleheaders needs the extra pitcher call up. If not the AI blows through pitchers arms too much even with 13 total.

slugga27 03-20-2019 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop (Post 4456201)
Without the extra roster spot for double headers I just cancel rainouts.

It sucks I have to do that./ But doubleheaders needs the extra pitcher call up. If not the AI blows through pitchers arms too much even with 13 total.
To combat this, for most of the last year, I went with 26-man rosters for the entire season (with September obviously being 40). I figured it was inevitable that real life would follow suit, and wouldn't you know...

And yes, you can specify that the typical roster construct is 13 pitchers and 13 position players.

jimmysthebestcop 03-20-2019 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slugga27 (Post 4456213)
To combat this, for most of the last year, I went with 26-man rosters for the entire season (with September obviously being 40). I figured it was inevitable that real life would follow suit, and wouldn't you know...

And yes, you can specify that the typical roster construct is 13 pitchers and 13 position players.
My 2020 season the computer actually instituted 26 man rosters and increased 40 man to the 42 man. Weird witchcraft.

I still feel like I don't have enough pitchers on double headers.

Orioles1966 03-20-2019 08:11 PM
The stadium was being used for something else(concert,etc).

Orioles1966 03-20-2019 08:12 PM
No one has heard of the schedule editor?

jimmysthebestcop 03-20-2019 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Orioles1966 (Post 4456302)
No one has heard of the schedule editor?
I play in challenge mode. So I don't think we can edit the schedule at all once the season starts. Or maybe not at all ever.

Don't really go behind the scenes much in challenge mode.

Le Grande Orange 03-20-2019 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Orioles1966 (Post 4456302)
No one has heard of the schedule editor?
One shouldn't have to use that. The game should get this sort of thing correct, given it is a feature of the game.

tward13 03-20-2019 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange (Post 4456332)
One shouldn't have to use that. The game should get this sort of thing correct, given it is a feature of the game.
Exactly. I don't want to be editing anything. I'm playing out the current season.

And no need for imaginary reasons why they couldn't play. Most northern teams schedule an open date the day after the opener so that they can get the big opening day crowd out to the park in case of rain or snow on day one.

strzepeksc 03-21-2019 07:08 AM
ML Baseball Union
 
Per their contract ML players have to have an off day every so many calendar days, so scheduling a DH after a rainout may be due to the off day agreement with the players union.

Orioles1966 03-21-2019 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tward13 (Post 4456334)
Exactly. I don't want to be editing anything. I'm playing out the current season.

And no need for imaginary reasons why they couldn't play. Most northern teams schedule an open date the day after the opener so that they can get the big opening day crowd out to the park in case of rain or snow on day one.
I get too bored playing exactly the same as MLB.

I am currently watching Seattle vs Oakland from Japan and during the regular season everytime I turn the TV on late at night it's almost guaranteed that Seattle will be playing Oakland. Too much of the same ole same ole.

tward13 03-21-2019 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Orioles1966 (Post 4456541)
I get too bored playing exactly the same as MLB.

I am currently watching Seattle vs Oakland from Japan and during the regular season everytime I turn the TV on late at night it's almost guaranteed that Seattle will be playing Oakland. Too much of the same ole same ole.

That's nice, but most people are playing Major league schedules. I know you have a particular interest in odd schedules and league set-ups but I'm talking about the ML schedule here.

tward13 03-21-2019 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by strzepeksc (Post 4456526)
Per their contract ML players have to have an off day every so many calendar days, so scheduling a DH after a rainout may be due to the off day agreement with the players union.
Yes, but that's not the case here. This day is purposely built into the schedule for this very purpose, to replace a first game rainout. Besides, they have a scheduled off day the next week for the same reason for their own home opener.

joefromchicago 03-21-2019 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Orioles1966 (Post 4456302)
No one has heard of the schedule editor?
That's a good point.

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange (Post 4456332)
One shouldn't have to use that. The game should get this sort of thing correct, given it is a feature of the game.
That's a good point too.

Given that OOTP gives the user so many options to modify or change the way the game is played, my feeling has always been that, if you care enough about some aspect of the game to complain about it, then you care enough to modify it yourself.

In this particular case, make-up games can be re-scheduled very easily. It takes about 30 seconds to go into the schedule editor, remove the make-up game that the AI has scheduled, and re-schedule it on some other date.

On the other hand, I recognize that it's frustrating that the game seemingly can't handle a simple situation like this. It's worth remembering, though, that schedules are complicated puzzles, even in real life. I'm amazed that the OOTP AI can handle rainouts, even if it sometimes doesn't do a very good job of it. As Dr. Johnson said of women preachers, "the wonder is not that it is done well, but that it is done at all." In this instance, we can urge the developers to devote more time and effort to fix the problem while recognizing that it's within our power right now to do something about it ourselves.

tward13 03-21-2019 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by joefromchicago (Post 4456630)
That's a good point.


That's a good point too.

Given that OOTP gives the user so many options to modify or change the way the game is played, my feeling has always been that, if you care enough about some aspect of the game to complain about it, then you care enough to modify it yourself.

In this particular case, make-up games can be re-scheduled very easily. It takes about 30 seconds to go into the schedule editor, remove the make-up game that the AI has scheduled, and re-schedule it on some other date.

On the other hand, I recognize that it's frustrating that the game seemingly can't handle a simple situation like this. It's worth remembering, though, that schedules are complicated puzzles, even in real life. I'm amazed that the OOTP AI can handle rainouts, even if it sometimes doesn't do a very good job of it. As Dr. Johnson said of women preachers, "the wonder is not that it is done well, but that it is done at all." In this instance, we can urge the developers to devote more time and effort to fix the problem while recognizing that it's within our power right now to do something about it ourselves.
I disagree. IF I choose to play a custom, non-standard version, then sure I would expect to have to do some work to get things how I like them.

However, if I'm playing current MLB out of the box, then it should work like current MLB. Rule 5 should work, schedules should be reasonable (why schedule a DH when there is an open date right there???), etc.

And this is the place, while still in beta to point out these things. It's the whole reason for a beta.

So yes, I know that I can change anything I don't like, but what I'd prefer is to have it work correctly.

Le Grande Orange 03-21-2019 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by strzepeksc (Post 4456526)
Per their contract ML players have to have an off day every so many calendar days, so scheduling a DH after a rainout may be due to the off day agreement with the players union.
No, that specifies no more than 20 consecutive days of play may be scheduled. The making up of postponed games can be exempted from that limitation if the players involved agree.

The provision of an off day after the initial home opener is precisely to allow an open date for the quick rescheduling of the opener in the event it was postponed without having to resort to a doubleheader or having the game played later in the season.

Le Grande Orange 03-21-2019 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by joefromchicago (Post 4456630)
On the other hand, I recognize that it's frustrating that the game seemingly can't handle a simple situation like this. It's worth remembering, though, that schedules are complicated puzzles, even in real life. I'm amazed that the OOTP AI can handle rainouts, even if it sometimes doesn't do a very good job of it.
OOTP could do a better job. Examining the real-life patterns of rescheduling should provide enough information to set the rules the AI should follow. I've got exact data on this covering the past ten MLB seasons, so recreating what it does now should be doable (except for the fact that the game as yet cannot do the traditional single admission, two-for-one doubleheader, nor can it allow teams to sometimes not make up all its postponed games, something which does happen in real life, especially in the minors).

The real-life minor leagues use a much simpler set of rules to make up its postponed games.


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