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Cobra Mgr 06-15-2019 06:39 PM

2019 NBA off season thread
 
Guess we'll get it started of w/this.........

Orleans trades AD to LA for Lakers 2019 1st rd pick, 2 other 1st rd picks, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart & Brandon Ingram.

rudel.dietrich 06-15-2019 07:14 PM

Cute how the NBA gave baseball one day to it's self.

Cobra Mgr 06-15-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich (Post 4502233)
Cute how the NBA gave baseball one day to it's self.

Did they? :laugh: Friday was all about Thursday. Now Saturday is all about this. Baseball probably gets the stage only to themselves at the all star break. Then when NFL camps open........

TheMaus2 06-15-2019 08:17 PM

its crazy to me that David Griffin didnt give the AD/Jrue/Zion a chance
I guess AD lost respect with his teammates pretty badly this season?

rudel.dietrich 06-15-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaus2 (Post 4502259)
its crazy to me that David Griffin didnt give the AD/Jrue/Zion a chance
I guess AD lost respect with his teammates pretty badly this season?

It was probably a situation where they sat him down after the lottery and asked him point blank 'are you going to re-sign with us?'

If his answer was anything other than yes I imagine they had something already close to completion and then finished it out.
If he still does not want to be there after Zion and a new front office then nothing will make him want to be there. Better to cash in now then let him walk a year from now for nothing.

Cobra Mgr 06-15-2019 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaus2 (Post 4502259)
its crazy to me that David Griffin didnt give the AD/Jrue/Zion a chance
I guess AD lost respect with his teammates pretty badly this season?

I think AD said no way did he want to return. Bridges had been burned. I think it was a good trade for the Pelicans seeing as only the Lakers were desperate enough to open the vault for them and AD had taken a "Lakers or bust" position. Pels have some assets to play with now and dangle in front of the rest of the NBA.

darkhorse 06-16-2019 05:10 AM

The only way the Lakers salvage this trade is if they sign Kawhi Leonard. LBJ, AD, and the Claw would make LA the faves to win the title next season.

rudel.dietrich 06-16-2019 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse (Post 4502409)
The only way the Lakers salvage this trade is if they sign Kawhi Leonard. LBJ, AD, and the Claw would make LA the faves to win the title next season.

I don’t see that happening. From all reports I read, Leonard has said in private that he respects James as a player but wants no part of being on the same team as him.

More realistic is that they go after Middleton or Brogdon.
Giving max or close to a max for Brogon I think would be great for them. Super efficient offensive player. Not great but at least tries on defense. And mature enough to be able to handle being in Lebrons orbit.

If I was a professional basketball player, James would be great to play with on the same court for 48 minutes. But everything else that comes with it would never make me never want to be on the same team. From the sub tweets to the behind the scenes manipulation. Just not my style.
AD seems to have a pretty submissive personality so I think he will be okay there.

rudel.dietrich 06-16-2019 02:42 PM

After the first two picks I am lost with this years draft.
Unlike some of this forum I am not very high on Barrett. There will be some great players out of this draft that we will look back at and think 'how did teams not see this guy with their pick?"
But anyone who claims to know who will be be a great player after the first 2 or 3 picks is full of ****.

TheMaus2 06-16-2019 04:51 PM

The Dime Drop has some very nice in depth scouting videos on the draft.

Anyway, after this AD trade, I think the Lakers are slotted for something like a top 2 seed in the west. Houston doesnt have the means to keep all of their guys, GS is out of the top 2 convo completely… the only true challenger I see at the moment who are prepared to contend is OKC. everyone else is a free agent or a young guy making the leap away from contending

Cobra Mgr 06-16-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich (Post 4502584)
After the first two picks I am lost with this years draft.
Unlike some of this forum I am not very high on Barrett. There will be some great players out of this draft that we will look back at and think 'how did teams not see this guy with their pick?"
But anyone who claims to know who will be be a great player after the first 2 or 3 picks is full of ****.

I think RJ is going to be a good NBA player. But if he lands on the Knicks, he is doomed to be a bust. I think that goes for anyone picked @ 3.

Cobra Mgr 06-16-2019 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaus2 (Post 4502667)
The Dime Drop has some very nice in depth scouting videos on the draft.

Anyway, after this AD trade, I think the Lakers are slotted for something like a top 2 seed in the west. Houston doesnt have the means to keep all of their guys, GS is out of the top 2 convo completelyÖ the only true challenger I see at the moment who are prepared to contend is OKC. everyone else is a free agent or a young guy making the leap away from contending

Who is potentially leaving Portland and Denver?

TheMaus2 06-16-2019 07:38 PM

I'm discounting Denver a bit because Jamaal Murray is a bit spotty, but they have the horses to stop the Lakers' current front court.
Portland's current roster has a mediocre chance to beat Bron/AD/Kuzma/replacement levels, but I have my doubts because of all the all star quality backcourts this decade, (DeRozan/Lowry, CP3/Harden, Wall/Beal, Curry/Klay, Dame/CJ) the only one to make the Finals has been Curry/Klay, and even without KD, they still had a good forward in Green to propel them.
If they can get Nurkic back to form, maybe they have a chance, but they dont have the space to resign Kanter, so they'll need Meyers Leonard or Zach Collins to make a leap.

rudel.dietrich 06-16-2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr (Post 4502698)
I think RJ is going to be a good NBA player.

I think his ceiling is Rudy Gay, if his career is average Andrew Wiggins or if his mental makeup is how I think it is, Jeff Green.

Cobra Mgr 06-16-2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich (Post 4502757)
I think his ceiling is Rudy Gay, if his career is average Andrew Wiggins or if his mental makeup is how I think it is, Jeff Green.

How many in the draft do you think could match Gay?

rudel.dietrich 06-17-2019 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr (Post 4502847)
How many in the draft do you think could match Gay?


That I can say with any degree of certainty? Two

After two I think there will be good NBA talent but I donít know who they are and I donít think many draft experts know other.
The teams themselves have a little bit more to go on from interviews and private workouts.
But even they are just taking chances after pick #2

Outside the top two picks I think the best bet is for someone like the Hawks who have six picks. They will not keep them all and will make trades to move up to take someone they like or for future picks.
But the more dice rolls the better.

The international crop in this class is weak as well. Only two internationals I see as first round talents.
10 years down the line we could see many good players from this draft. Itís just that itís hard to see them right now.

thehef 06-17-2019 06:35 AM

Re the LA/NO trade, seems like a win/win at the moment, but - as they say - only time will tell...

The Lakers need to fill out their roster. Figure it's a good chance that they land a B+ or A- talent (Kemba Walker or Jimmy Butler, someone at that level) to go with LBJ & AD, and that would be a pretty good core. But they will still need 4 or 5 other solid role players (who will need to come in on the cheap). And regardless, with the draft picks they have given up to get AD, they will absolutely be in the "Must Win Title Now" mode. Anything else will be a disaster because it's a short window with LeBron, and there will be no draft picks coming for the next several years.

As for NO, great haul of draft picks, etc., when they pretty much knew there was nobody else seriously bidding for AD.

Cobra Mgr 06-17-2019 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich (Post 4502863)
That I can say with any degree of certainty? Two

After two I think there will be good NBA talent but I donít know who they are and I donít think many draft experts know other.
The teams themselves have a little bit more to go on from interviews and private workouts.
But even they are just taking chances after pick #2

That is getting to my point. RJ is as good a guess as any. SO I don't see how anybody could second guess his selection at 3.

rudel.dietrich 06-19-2019 11:50 PM

Mike Conley is headed to Utah

Memphis gets back...not a lot...
They waited way too long to trade him

thehef 06-20-2019 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich (Post 4504724)
Mike Conley is headed to Utah

If - big if - Conley stays healthy, that's a pretty good lineup of Gobert, Favors (whom they will apparently now keep), Mitchell, Ingles, Conley... With all the uncertainty in the west, might the Jazz be as much of a favorite as anyone else?


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