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Markus Heinsohn 04-18-2014 11:26 AM

Post issues about the major league roster set here please!
 
Hey guys,

we want to constantly improve the major league roster set, so please post issues you run across here once the game is released.

Please do not post issues with players being on wrong roster / lineup / pitching staff spots, the AI sets these up and there is nothing we can do to force player X to be used in a certain predefined way.

Also, do not post stuff like "Trout just hit .260 in my sim, this cannot be right." or "Why has X better ratings than Y?". Posts like these will be ignored! Major league player ratings are based on PECOTA projections, not opinion.


Please post here:
- Errors in contracts
- Issues with players being in the wrong organization
- Vastly wrong player ratings (disable scouting first so you see the real ratings), for example a Double-A scrub having allstar-calibre ratings

Thanks for helping! :)
Markus

bwburke94 04-18-2014 11:43 AM

Not an issue, but...

THE MINOR LEAGUE ABBREVIATIONS ISSUES ARE FIXED! No more PCL Pacific Conference being abbreviated "AC" in the default set!

Edit: Dayton and Daytona are both abbreviated DAY, but there's really no way around that one so I'll give you a pass on it. Greensboro is GRE and Greenville is GRB, I assume for Greenville (Boston) since there's a Greeneville with four E's that's a Houston affiliate. Two Burlington teams are both BUR, but they're different league levels so there isn't a problem telling them apart.

bwburke94 04-18-2014 11:50 AM

First issue. David Ortiz's extension was announced March 23, so it shouldn't be in the game as the ML roster set is as of March 21.

mgom27 04-18-2014 11:50 AM

You can go Edit them your self that's what I would do.

bwburke94 04-18-2014 11:53 AM

No real team owners in the quickstart. I assume this is for legal reasons and you can't use the real ones?

EDIT: Weird, there are a few correct owners in there...

bwburke94 04-18-2014 11:56 AM

Cubs-Nationals doubleheader on 6/28 is correctly not in the game. It is treated the same way as any other rescheduled game, i.e. played on its originally scheduled date.

bwburke94 04-18-2014 12:07 PM

Season start date is first Saturday on or after March 31, which could lead to some odd schedules in post-2014 seasons due to the default schedule including the Australia opening series.

bwburke94 04-18-2014 12:10 PM

Playoffs in most minor leagues are incorrect, though the current Midwest League format cannot be recreated in OOTP. Minors never use best-of-7 series IRL.

bwburke94 04-18-2014 12:18 PM

Speaking of the minors, the set start date for the full season leagues is the first Thursday on or after April 3, which doesn't line up with the majors. Ignoring the Australia Opening Series issue for a moment, in years where April 1 is a Monday or Tuesday, the full-season minors would start two days before the majors do. The first such year is 2019, followed by 2024 and 2025.

My assumption to how this error was made is that the devs looked at this year's schedule, saw it began on Thursday April 3, and put that in the quickstart. The obvious problem is the way this ties into the calendar: in year 2 of all quickstarts that do this, the season begins a week later than it did in year 1, i.e. April 9. The exact same error was made last year.

EDIT: More minor league weirdness, the short-season leagues don't line up with each other as well as they should. In the quickstart, the NY-Penn League starts a week late compared to the other short-season leagues if June 12 is a Thursday, which happens to be the case in 2014.

mgom27 04-18-2014 12:22 PM

Another problem but an easy fix by me is that it is 4-18 so Rosters aren't as of today and Teams have made moves since opening day and another problem but will take along time for me to do update Stats so far for this season and also,update Standings but no can do.

ludosc 04-18-2014 12:28 PM

Martin Perez SP Texas Rangers

Contract in Game

2014: $0.75M
2015: $1M
2016: $2.9M
2017: $4.4M
2018: $6M Team Option with no buyout

2018 should have a $2.45M buyout on the option and there also should be team option years for 2019 & 2020...

2019: $7.5M Team Option ($0.75M Buyout)
2020: $9M Team Option ($0.25M Buyout)

source: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/c...texas-rangers/

bwburke94 04-18-2014 12:39 PM

I know arguing ratings is not normally a good idea for this thread, but Yu Darvish's Stuff rating shouldn't be that godly. Relative to ML, Darvish's Stuff is 112 out of 100. Second place is Strasburg at 97, third place Matt Moore at 86. Is Darvish really 30% better than anyone else in the entire American League?

ludosc 04-18-2014 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 3675528)
I know arguing ratings is not normally a good idea for this thread, but Yu Darvish's Stuff rating shouldn't be that godly. Relative to ML, Darvish's Stuff is 112 out of 100. Second place is Strasburg at 97, third place Matt Moore at 86. Is Darvish really 30% better than anyone else in the entire American League?

Why yes...yes he is...

Go Rangers :-)

Doc_Brown 04-18-2014 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludosc (Post 3675502)
Martin Perez SP Texas Rangers

Contract in Game

2014: $0.75M
2015: $1M
2016: $2.9M
2017: $4.4M
2018: $6M Team Option with no buyout

2018 should have a $2.45M buyout on the option and there also should be team option years for 2019 & 2020...

2019: $7.5M Team Option ($0.75M Buyout)
2020: $9M Team Option ($0.25M Buyout)

source: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/c...texas-rangers/


Thanks for that. Will get it sorted for future updates.

xnickx5757 04-18-2014 01:29 PM

St Louis doesn't have a scouting director

no scouts are working. I switched between all the teams and all the ratings were 0. Toggling the complete scouting options in the settings turned on OSA scouting but the individual team's scouts still did not show up

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 3675417)
First issue. David Ortiz's extension was announced March 23, so it shouldn't be in the game as the ML roster set is as of March 21.

The roster set isn't as of March 21. Most teams did not have their rosters set then. It's as of March 30 or 31. haveband would know for sure.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xnickx5757 (Post 3675669)
St Louis doesn't have a scouting director

no scouts are working. I switched between all the teams and all the ratings were 0. Toggling the complete scouting options in the settings turned on OSA scouting but the individual team's scouts still did not show up

St. Louis dies have Dan Kantrovitz correctly set as the scouting director and other teams also have their correct scouting guys. If they aren't showing up it's a game bug, not a roster bug, but they show up fine here.

Ratings of 0 means you need to rescout. Nothing to do with the rosters.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 3675528)
I know arguing ratings is not normally a good idea for this thread, but Yu Darvish's Stuff rating shouldn't be that godly. Relative to ML, Darvish's Stuff is 112 out of 100. Second place is Strasburg at 97, third place Matt Moore at 86. Is Darvish really 30% better than anyone else in the entire American League?

I dunno. Talk to BP about it;) That's how PECOTA rates him.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 3675428)
No real team owners in the quickstart. I assume this is for legal reasons and you can't use the real ones?

EDIT: Weird, there are a few correct owners in there...

The should all be there:confused:

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgom27 (Post 3675489)
Another problem but an easy fix by me is that it is 4-18 so Rosters aren't as of today and Teams have made moves since opening day and another problem but will take along time for me to do update Stats so far for this season and also,update Standings but no can do.

The rosters are frozen at opening day, just as they are every single year;)

We'll likely release an update later in the year in September or so.

xnickx5757 04-18-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukasberger (Post 3675702)
St. Louis dies have Dan Kantrovitz correctly set as the scouting director and other teams also have their correct scouting guys. If they aren't showing up it's a game bug, not a roster bug, but they show up fine here.

Ratings of 0 means you need to rescout. Nothing to do with the rosters.


hmm...


i'll start a new game and get back to you

Tyler87898 04-18-2014 02:10 PM

Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew don't have compensation attached to them.

Doc_Brown 04-18-2014 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler87898 (Post 3675813)
Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew don't have compensation attached to them.

I know you guys don't listen to this for this thread, but I can't believe Andrew Heaney is rated so low as he is a top SP prospect, but that's just my unimportant opinion. The compensation thing is pretty important though.


Regarding Morales and Drew, I don't think OOTP has ever(or been able to) attach compensation value to the previous years FA's when you start a new version of OOTP. If you check OOTP14 any compensation from the 2012 FA's wont be included for the 1st season. But when you play out the 2014 season the compensation picks will apply for 2015 onwards.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler87898 (Post 3675813)
Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew don't have compensation attached to them.

I know you guys don't listen to this for this thread, but I can't believe Andrew Heaney is rated so low as he is a top SP prospect, but that's just my unimportant opinion. The compensation thing is pretty important though.

Sure we listen to MiLB rating stuff. That's not done by PECOTA. we put tons of work into rating these guys though, so you'll want to be pretty convincing when arguing for a different rating, because it's likely we've already looked at a given guy very, very closely.

That being said everyone sees things a bit differently and there are some guys I think are underrated but that the guy who does the top 100 prospects is good with. It is what it is really, in the end that's what the editor is for.

I don't know what more you want on Heaney though. His potentials are 135-142-135 stuff-move-control. He's pretty much a top 10 pitching prospect with those ratings. We could bump him up a little more imo, maybe his stuff up to 145 or so, but overall he's just about right.

As for compensation, that's not something we can set manually. The comp only gets attached once you play the game and start simming seasons. Maybe we can mention this to Markus and get him to add the ability for us to edit comp stuff in the future, but I wouldn't expect it to happen this year.

Tyler87898 04-18-2014 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukasberger (Post 3675850)
Sure we listen to MiLB rating stuff. That's not done by PECOTA. we put tons of work into rating these guys though, so you'll want to be pretty convincing when arguing for a different rating, because it's likely we've already look at a given guy very, very closely.

That being said everyone sees things a bit differently and there are some guys I think are underrated but that the guy who does the top 100 prospects is good with. It is what it is really, in the end that's what the editor is for.

I don't know what more you want on Heaney though. His potentials are 135-142-135 stuff-move-control. He's pretty much a top 10 pitching prospect with those ratings. We could bump him up a little more imo, maybe his stuff up to 145 or so, but overall he's just about right.

As for compensation, that's not something we can set manually. The comp only gets attached once you play the game and start simming seasons. Maybe we can mention this to Markus and get him to add the ability for us to edit comp stuff in the future, but I wouldn't expect it to happen this year.

You're right about Heaney it was my mistake to jump on him before looking at his real ratings (like it says to in the first post haha).

stevens84 04-18-2014 02:23 PM

A lot of the draft pool prospects have the wrong birthdate?

They can't all be born on January 1st?

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevens84 (Post 3675858)
A lot of the draft pool prospects have the wrong birthdate?

They can't all be born on January 1st?

Nope, many of the draft prospects are still wip:o

Those 1-1's are guys we don't have dob's for yet. We can get most of them from Perfect Game and other sources and we will do so and will continually be updating them. Each patch you should see this get a little better

NateAndStuff 04-18-2014 02:28 PM

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I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I just got to opening day on a new save file and all 100 of the top 100 prospects are relievers...

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateAndStuff (Post 3675877)
I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I just got to opening day on a new save file and all 100 of the top 100 prospects are relievers...

Umm, I have no idea. Pretty sure this isn't the right place though, it's not like that in the roster set for real or in my game. Might want to post in the bug report forum.

Tyler87898 04-18-2014 02:46 PM

I guess since Clayton Kershaw was injured as of opening day for all other teams, he is also injured for the games in Australia (which is like a week before the other opening day)?

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler87898 (Post 3675914)
I guess since Clayton Kershaw was injured as of opening day for all other teams, he is also injured for the games in Australia (which is like a week before the other opening day)?

Good point, though a bit of an excessively sarcastic way of making it.

We probably should've set him as not being injured. I think haveband may change this once he sees it.

Tyler87898 04-18-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukasberger (Post 3675926)
though a bit of an excessively sarcastic way of making it.

Sorry, didn't mean it like that :)!

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler87898 (Post 3675940)
Sorry, didn't mean it like that :)!

:thumbup1:

No worries, I shouldn't even have said anything. It's hard to tell intent on the internet sometimes:o

draven085 04-18-2014 03:01 PM

40-man rosters in the All-In-One download seem off. I checked the Red Sox, Diamond Backs, and White Sox and all three teams have between 28 and 31 players on their 40-man.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by draven085 (Post 3675947)
40-man rosters in the All-In-One download seem off. I checked the Red Sox, Diamond Backs, and White Sox and all three teams have between 28 and 31 players on their 40-man.

Yeah, they won't be right. The game sets them up itself, not us.

They also stay a bit lower than irl because a really full 40 man causes the ai some issues with player movement.

AirmenSmith 04-18-2014 03:04 PM

Question about the posting system on the roster for the other leagues. I don't know much about international leagues but since there is some sort of posting system in Japan, shouldn't that be on there league? All the international leagues have the posting disabled.

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith (Post 3675955)
Question about the posting system on the roster for the other leagues. I don't know much about international leagues but since there is some sort of posting system in Japan, shouldn't that be on there league? All the international leagues have the posting disabled.

Yep. It's supposed to be enabled for Japan. If not it's a bug.

I'll check and report it if it's turned off in my game as well.

stevens84 04-18-2014 03:41 PM

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Another draft pool issue:

3B Dominic Cuoci has big league stats? I believe they're former big league OF John Bowker's?

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevens84 (Post 3676028)
Another draft pool issue:

3B Dominic Cuoci has big league stats? I believe they're former big league OF John Bowker's?

Thanks. Fixing it as we speak.

Nightwing 04-18-2014 04:18 PM

Ubaldo Jimenez contract is wrong in the game. It says he signed it prior to the 2013 season and will be a free agent after 2016, when he really signed it prior to the 2014 season and will be a free agent after 2017. He salary for the 2014 season is 11.25 million, 2015: 12.25 million, 2016: 13 million, 2017: 13.5 million

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightwing (Post 3676093)
Ubaldo Jimenez contract is wrong in the game. It says he signed it prior to the 2013 season and will be a free agent after 2016, when he really signed it prior to the 2014 season and will be a free agent after 2017. He salary for the 2014 season is 11.25 million, 2015: 12.25 million, 2016: 13 million, 2017: 13.5 million

Thanks, had the right contract in but the wrong current year checked. Fixed now.

PsychoBulk 04-18-2014 04:21 PM

Lukas, will these fixes be in Mondays patch?

Thanks for your diligent work on ironing these kinks out.

Cowboys3356 04-18-2014 04:23 PM

I am using the game's default 2014 Season rosters (New Standard Game) and when I go into the Milestones Section I find a couple of problems.

Nick Cardinale age 18 with 434 homeruns
David Stauffer age 18 with 294 homeruns
Greg French age 18 with 673 games played
Roy Rivera age 18 with 476 games played

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsychoBulk (Post 3676102)
Lukas, will these fixes be in Mondays patch?

Thanks for your diligent work on ironing these kinks out.

They will, so long as Markus includes the most recent rosters, which he's 99.9% sure to do:)

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356 (Post 3676105)
I am using the game's default 2014 Season rosters (New Standard Game) and when I go into the Milestones Section I find a couple of problems.

Nick Cardinale age 18 with 434 homeruns
David Stauffer age 18 with 294 homeruns
Greg French age 18 with 673 games played
Roy Rivera age 18 with 476 games played

Ok, as with the Cuoci issue above it appears some of the new draft players were assigned id's no longer in use that were linked to stats for former MLB players.

Will have to find and fix these:(

So please include any instances of this stuff you guys find. Thanks.

PsychoBulk 04-18-2014 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukasberger (Post 3676112)
They will, so long as Markus includes the most recent rosters, which he's 99.9% sure to do:)

Marvellous, thankyou.

Ill hold off on starting a new game until Monday in that case and instead concentrate on my imported '14 chise.

injury log 04-18-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 3675528)
I know arguing ratings is not normally a good idea for this thread, but Yu Darvish's Stuff rating shouldn't be that godly. Relative to ML, Darvish's Stuff is 112 out of 100. Second place is Strasburg at 97, third place Matt Moore at 86. Is Darvish really 30% better than anyone else in the entire American League?

Darvish reached 500 strikeouts faster (in fewer IP) than any pitcher in baseball history. So he has the best Stuff, in OOTP terms, of any starting pitcher ever. If he doesn't deserve a 112/100 Stuff rating, there's no reason for the rating scale to go that high to begin with.

Bakerhdx25 04-18-2014 04:49 PM

Completely new to the game and the community. Huge stat guru and current college baseball player. Anyway, to my first noob question here, will these updates be applied to a game I have already started or should I wait a while to start a game to get some of these updates in there?

Lukas Berger 04-18-2014 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakerhdx25 (Post 3676154)
Completely new to the game and the community. Huge stat guru and current college baseball player. Anyway, to my first noob question here, will these updates be applied to a game I have already started or should I wait a while to start a game to get some of these updates in there?

Who do you play for?

I've spent way too much time working on a huge real roster college baseball project for OOTP here.

Anyway to answer your questions, yes you'll need to start a new game, but the updates will only show up once in a new patch. So wait till the new patch comes out, then apply it, and start a new game.

injury log 04-18-2014 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakerhdx25 (Post 3676154)
Completely new to the game and the community. Huge stat guru and current college baseball player. Anyway, to my first noob question here, will these updates be applied to a game I have already started or should I wait a while to start a game to get some of these updates in there?

If you're referring specifically to roster set updates (updated contracts and ratings and things like that), then you'll need to begin a brand new game to see them. Once you start a game and sim forward, all the ratings start evolving, people sign new contracts, etc, so there wouldn't even theoretically be a way to update a game in progress. If instead you meant updates to OOTP itself (new features, bug fixes, etc), those will apply everywhere.

Welcome to the community and good luck with your college career! :)


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