SPOILER ALERT - Perfect Team 2.0 Card Database Info
 

Important: Don't read this if you like surprises and prefer to not know which cards will be in PT20.

As we talked about on TWIPT earlier tonight, based on the results of the survey we ran last week (which I will share below), we have released a fully detailed list of cards that you can find here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5c44rh96gv..._list.csv?dl=0

We will be asking for your help to comb through it and report any errors you might find here, but only for the historical cards! Live cards are still a work in progress and will change during the season anyway.

Another note, the pitcher movement rating in this list is the raw rating, which in the game gets modified by the pitcher groundball rating for the final displayed movement rating.

PLEASE, reporting is not for your favorite players who should be a 89 instead of 85. Its for gross oversights and complete mistakes, for example a SP All-Star having a stamina rating of 12, or a great season having a card value of 60 (the minimum for all historical cards except the Unsung Heroes).

Thanks to everyone for the feedback we received and we hope you are geared up for Perfect Team 2.0!

Find the list HERE

Can you double check the columns, it seems the file may have had some columns swapped. I get weird results on both IE and Firefox when looking at the data/exporting it to Excel.

Column Velocity - shows wrong category.
Column Arm Slot - shows wrong category.
Column Knucklecurve but shows Velocity
Column Knuckleball but shows ArmSlot (Normal 3/4, ...)

there may be more...hard to catch for columns with just numbers in them.

Fixed in next revision!

thanks guys, this is awesome! I started very late to the game but my experience was greatly improved when someone posted their database in the forums and gave me something to look over for potential players

thank you.

Another quick question, did the TOP WAR category get dropped, merged or are some specific cards not included ? I always thought the next version would be PT19+new cards.

Example,
I see two Hardware Heroes Greinke cards (2015, 2017) but the very popular PT19 2009 Top War is not included. I could not find a 2009 card for him.

might be more to the considerations of the numbers/etc, but this jumped out at me:

Willie Keeler's avoid K rating of 66 seems exceptionally low when compared to, say, Roger Connor (who played in a relatively similar time frame) and is scored at 95 for the same category.

on the career AB per K list, Keeler is #1 all-time with 63.17 (and Joe Sewell is a close second at 62.56; he scored an 84 on the list btw). The next closest player is almost 20 AB behind at 44.92 (Lloyd Waner). Connor hits the list at 17.14 AB per K, so well off Keeler's pace.

Did Markus take down the list?I got here late and cannot find it?

I already bought all the cards, you can't have any. :laugh:

Bonds 02's vL contact, eye, and power seem exceeding low for a guy who hit .384/.556/.976 vs lefties over an entire year. I would think they should the same, if not better, than his vL splits.

If it's a conscious decision to prevent having 2 100 overall Bonds, it's kind of annoying but it would be nice to get confirmation because it does look like a pretty big error otherwise.

Big thanks for releasing the full database. It's really nice to be able to see all the cards! Keep up the awesome work.

Regarding MOV, I understand we're going to see very high numbers. Is there a point then where the listed MOV score is too low?

Yea, they said Hardware Heroes replaces Top War.

So in that case, it looks like some cards were dropped or replaced with other years.

Odd to have a 2015 Greinke card as the new addition and drop his 2009 year. I assume because he won a GG in 2015 (he won his only CY in 2009).

Do we create new threads for each "bug" we find?

In the sheet? I believe this thread is the only place to do so.

The sheet was taken down while Markus fixes up some things. Please post issues/errors in this thread ONLY

I noticed that the still-unsigned free agents (e.g. Kimbrel, Keuchel) did not have their live cards in the database. Was this intentional (i.e. their cards are basically ready and when they sign they'll be added)?

Record Breaker Koufax 1957 has Movement OVR of 10. Without knowing how low it's reasonable to be, this seems low

Legend Eckersley PEAK is listed as an SP but has stamina of 7

I've noticed that a bunch of the PEAK cards from This Week in Perfect Team releases appear to be missing: Joe Kelley, Larry Gardner, Jim Palmer, Nellie Fox, Bret Saberhagen, Red Ruffing, Ivan Rodriguez, Ichiro, and Kirk Gibson to name several. Previously we were told all non-redundant cards would be retained for OOTP20. Is this just part of the database being incomplete at present, or were there oversights or intentional omissions among them?

If I remember correctly from the first PT stream Kris did a week ago, he said almost all cards would be ported to OOTP20 but not all. I believe Ruffing has an 85 rated version in this database as well, if I recall correctly. I also noticed Joe Kelley missing when I was searching yesterday so Im curious to hear why he was cut.

Walter Johnson 1912 MOV is 60 compared to his 1913 card where the MOV was 108. GB % is the same for both. 1912 he had a HR/9 of 0.0 as opposed to 0.2 in 1913. 1912 MOV appears low due to this.

I'm assuming the card information released is limited to the cards available on day 1 to everyone. The cards to be offered as tournament prizes and among the 45 content releases are still hidden?

You might be right. I don't see George Sisler in the databasse. They did say it was incomplete though.

Also Old Hoss Radbourn can be added to this list, if it was unintentional to leave them out.

All Star Dallas Keuchel 2015 has a MOV rating of 53. That probably can't be right.

From the OP:

Fair enough.



I know that the MOV in the database is going to be affected by the GB rating.



I'm just going off the knowledge that Keuchel's MOV is among the highest in 1.9.


If a MOV of 53 and a GB rating of 35 (Keuchel) is still going to be in the mid 90's (as it was in 1.9), what does a MOV of 95 and a GB rating of the same 35 come out to be, which is what Arrietta has? Or a MOV of 127 with a GB rating of 35 end up being?

I can't double check right now, but I could've sworn that he had MOV in the 120s and low STU and CON when I looked yesterday.

https://s17.directupload.net/images/190313/vkde7hhd.png

That's bizarre. Thanks.

That's what I thought too. Look at the change in the GB factor too.

The 1990 Dennis Eckersly 92 PEAK card is listed as a SP in card title. Should be RP?

Here's the latest update, tons of changes here as we found some issues in the rating import:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5c44rh96gv..._list.csv?dl=0

OMG, are people going to complain about the performance of perfect live Harper.

Ratings for Historical Legend PEAK cards for both pitchers and batters have already been explained. Are the defensive ratings for those cards based upon similar criteria?

Anyone have any tips for formatting the CSV file in Open Office? This is as close as Ive gotten it...
Thanks

No, the defense is based on the entire career for these cards.

disable space

Yea, "separated by" should probably just have "comma" selected.

edit: Opps Kleine already answered.

anyone have a good Bronze, Silver and Gold only team designed yet?

The 98 record breaker Ted Williams card has an OF range factor of 27, while the 96 1949 card has an OF range factor of 31- compare vs. the peak 100 card which has a range of 44.

Wanted to confirm that those range factors are accurate, since it will make the two lower diamond Williams cards essentially defensively unplayable, sort of much higher end versions of the 19 JD Martinez card.

Another example of low defensive ratings is the perfect Gehrig, which looks like it will translate to about a 38 rating at 1B. While Gehrig and Ted Williams may have been subpar fielders, these ratings would make them historically bad.

Philosophically, can a card be rated a perfect or high diamond card if the defensive ratings are abysmal?

As an aside, most of the historical player fielding ratings in the 20 database seem much more accurate than in 19, so these players may be the exception, not the rule.

I see pitchers with overall stuff as low as 9!

Vlad Guerrero Sr would have hit a HR on that pitch.

I can't confirm 100% this is a bug but it's bothering me the highest rated Tony Gwynn card is now an 80 (his peak 1994 card). That rating is lower than all 3 of his from OOTP 2019...

Here are a few things that have jumped out at me when looking through the database. I'm not sure if these things are correct, but I think they need to be double checked for accuracy.

Catcher Bob Boone 1978 All Star (78 OVR)

On the current PT1.0 version he is listed with a catching ability at 105 and catching arm at 89.
On PT 2.0 Database Catching Ability is 75 and arm is 69.

Seems like these numbers are significantly lower for someone who is considered a great defensive catcher.

Starting Pitcher Dallas Keuchel 2015 All Star (88 OVR in PT 2.0)

His movement is at 96 in PT 1.0 which is the highest in the game
In PT 2.0 movement is 53 (I know this isn't the actual number in the game, but you incorporate MVT and GB % to get MVT number we see in the game). This seems way too low for this card. Is this a mistake? Lots of players have numbers more than twice as high


Unsung Hero SP Sad Sam Jones 1921

Appears to be the exact same card as in version 1.0 of the game, except this one is 92 overall rated while it was a 72 rated card in PT 1.0

I can see this card getting an increase in OVR rating, but doesn't look close to the other 92 OVR rated cards. Is this a mistake???
I see the same thing with Larry Dierker (went from 83 OVR to 92 OVR) and Len Barker (went from 78 OVR to 93 OVR). Was this just a big jump for the Unsung Hero cards? I agree that they need to be upgraded overall, but the jumps seem way too much


These are the 3 that jump off the page to me as of now, but I will take a closer look at things to help you guys find "bugs" if there are any

Can I make one suggestion??? If you release updates to the current PT 2.0 card database, can you put a separate section detailing the changes that were made on the update so I can update my lists instead of having to redo everything for some potential changes to ratings?

Kevin

Great, now I'll have to nerd out even more over this game! Love that there is a Rookie Alvin Davis card, sweet!

Nope, these are all okay... the Unsung Hereos in PT19 were artificially lowered in overall ratings. We no longer do that in PT 20. Movement is okay too for Keuchel, he has a very high GB% which in the end will result in a high movement overall.

This is okay... according to our metrics (which were updated for OOTP 20) they were indeed really bad defensively.