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b) Stealing (quality), Speed (quantity) c) Speed (also, being left-handed in real life, but I don't know how this works in OOTP) d) Baserunning |
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This helps a ton - until somebody disagrees ;) |
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I wish I could tell a player to be more aggressive on the base paths without him interpreting that to mean being more aggressive across the board. |
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I've always thought baserunning rating is the evaluation of a player making good choices, i.e. try to score from second on a base hit with a high probability of success.
Speed then being the increased number of times a player will take that chance because he knows his probability of success based on his knowledge of his speed, with his understanding of his success rate which is determined by baserunning rating. I think this is an interesting conversation and I think it has clarified a number of things for may of us. |
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Well... I'm going to test that. Here are some speed scores by players who may or may not have been considered fast in the early 60s (using 1962): Clemente: 7.82 Frank Robinson: 6.77 Mays: 7.88 Tommy Davis: 7.98 Hank Aaron: 7.74 Lou Brock: 9.58 Frank Howard: 5.6 Maury Wills: 10.66 I find it interesting that it the algorithm managed to suss out Lou Brock so well (Brock, then playing for the Cubs, was only 18/24 for steals) but jeez, if Wills is an 80/80 and Brock is about a 75/80, Clemente and Mays are pretty far off... maybe 55-60/80 for both? And that's probably being generous... Frank Howard is pretty close to a 20, maybe a 25, but there's more difference by speed score between Clemente and Wills than there is between Clemente and Howard. |
Showing my age but I was a Cardinal fan in 64 when they acquired Brock. I just looked at the successful career stolen base percentage for Aaron, Brock, Clemente, T. Davis, and Mays. Brock had the best percentage even though teams were playing for him to run. Aaron’s percentage was about the same, about 75% successful for both. Mays and T Davis were about 66% and Clemente just behind.
I need to check Wills and F. Robinson. Wills and F. Robinson around 70%. Of course, stolen base % is not a direct correlation to raw speed since quickness and reading a pitcher are big factors. As a Cardinal fan, this little comparison gives me more appreciation for what he did for the Cardinals. I do not know of anyway to compare how successful they were going from first to home though which I guess this discussion is mainly/partially about. |
There's a theory that the in-game scores are really bell-curved (I think it's the right side), so it makes sense that the in-game numeric gap gets wider as you get to the extremes (tails). The OOTP speed ratings (even if they were actually run speeds) wouldn't be speeds (in mph), but normalized scores.
Still, I thought OOTP speed was (primarily) the propensity to steal a base. |
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